Does hip forums have a lot of racism?

I know for certain plenty of people who post racist stuff are doing it to troll or out of a particular sense of humour. Like, when it is rude or against the established norms it is already kind of funny to some. It's a juvenile sense of humour, granted. I dig a good racist joke myself, but the crux is it actually has to be funny. A lot of times its only to provoke or offend. The 'fun' is then solely at the expense of others. Not partly (which if made for good fun can be ok. It's not always a problem to offend people with a joke)

 

I agree. If you're going to "pretend" to be racist just to troll and get a reaction, you're probably just fucking racist. Because someone who isnt actually racist wouldnt want to say racist things or upset people because of racism in the first place

 

Uhm.... plenty of people provoke or aim to offend with stuff they do not inherently believe in. If you are aware of that why should racism always be an exception in that regard

 

Because it's a fucked up thing to pretend to be
And because if the result is the same, if you say a racist thing and hurt someone, what difference does it make if you "believe" it or not. The result is the same, you said something racist and upset someone

 

Asmo, do you really believe people aim to offend with stuff they don’t believe in? Can you give me some examples?

 

It may not make a difference for the provoked or offended but that is not the point. The point is if its coming from a juvenile or misplaced sense of humour, or an urge to provoke or offend, or always from a racist conviction. And I for one am certain that it isn't always the latter.

 

Yes, honestly. Sometimes that's the case.

I'll think about some!

 

I dont always agree with 6
But I think his assessment is spot on here

Their intent doesnt really matter if the end result is the same. People are going to think you're a racist if you say racist things, and then it's there on the internet for all eternity, or at least long enough for your employer to dig it up at some point

 

It matters when we are determining what the exact reason is and it is wrongly put that its always 100% coming from a racist conviction. That's simply inaccurate.

 

Ok

 

Well I for one dont have time to figure out if people are actually racist or if they're trolling
So as far as I'm concerned, if someone says something racist then they're racist

 

You made that clear already But as you stated: it doesn't matter to you because the outcome is the same.
I am trying to make clear that the fact the outcome is the same, the motive or mindset its coming from isn't always the same.
I think if we are actually determining why people provoke or offend it can't be denied that the mindset its coming from can differ.
Like, i almost feel i should avoid the words motive and intent now because those seem the same: to provoke or offend. But WHY exactly people wanna do that is of course also called motive.
One example seems to be 'faulty' humour. Another an annoyance of overly 'libtard' initiatives. A third example seems opportunism, like take that Pewdiepie person for example (a combi of above examples could apply here too!): not the kind of opportunism that's ment to give or keep one ethnicity an advantage in society (that's racist opportunism of course), but the kind where the person making the racist joke or attempt to provoke or offend knows it attracts viewers which equals income in the case of Pewdiepie.

 

Racism is a worthy subject for humour. If race wars would develop thats primarily because of discriminating forms of racism, not it being a subject of humour. Humour is often used to put reality in perspective.

 

I don't like the idea that racism is subjective. I'm feeling like anyone who isn't concerned by it may as well cheer it on.

 

Well, discrimination is not subjective.

But 'racism' is a generalized term for all things racist. An initial thought can be racist, and a thought out conviction can be racist. Those are 2 different forms. The first one is generally much more innocent and easier to break to the person uttering it that its likely a serious form of discrimination than to a person declaring a thought out conviction.

 

I don't know. When our president tells women of color to go back to their shithole countries and refers to African American neighborhoods as infested with vermin, it's as if racism in general is being endorsed by society as a whole.

I don't want to make this political, but our president has basically created a landscape where is has become "acceptable" to be racist (as long as you're white, of course) and that is not okay.

 

I'm not saying all the racism found online is posted by trolls putting on a racist charade. Some of it is legitimate.

The reason I believe some of the racist stuff posted online is uncreative trolling, is because many years ago, I was a part of a forum that had an arch rivalry with another larger forum that we used to be part of. Until we were banned for unfair reasons, and the mods were too strict to allow fun threads and hyperlinked images. So wars were waged between the forums, and once in a while some of the people would post racist things on the other forum to wreck the entire forum's reputation via racist trolling.

 

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I agree. I also think he could be catering to racist americans for votes and support (so out of opportunism), not primarily because he's inherently racist himself. It simply suits him to be very politically incorrect.

Yups, me neither. But I thought it goes without saying that at least half (figure pulled out of ass) of the displayed racism is real.
But not all. Which seems to be unlikely to many people here. But is evident to me.

 

I don't think it's a coincidence that the Trump logo looks exactly like a swastika.