Does God Exist?

The ability to be struck with awe at the protection of the atmosphere in the vast scope of the universe offers you some type of sign that God exists then.

What about the billions of organisms in your gut that help prevent disease, rid of waste, and inform your system, which would be killed if exposed to oxygen in the atmosphere?

 

But i know that so i would not take that chance and go there. God has put in place many cycles on the earth and also in space. Organization and creativeness are some of his attributes.

 

It has nothing new to know but if you want to learn nothing be my guest.

 

No, it shows a creator creating an oasis in space. A master creation he has been working on for millions of years with humans being the crowning point. Now things are in the works to get freewill in check and his creation will be complete with happy humans with no death in sight.

 

Earth is estimated to be a few billion years old...

 

Millions turn into billions

Just like days turn into weeks bein on the dole drinking swish.

Or is it, time flies when your havin fun!

 

How do you respond to the Aristotelian notion of God(s) as Unmoved Mover(s), that which sets thing in motion but does not itself move?

 

Are you aware that over 99% of all species that have ever lived on this "oasis" have been wiped out? Also, why does god make so many babies and children die horrible, painful, slow deaths, every second, every moment, since we have existed?

 

If I want to learn nothing be your guest? I suspected such. You are not the videos host, it was offered to all of us so your invitation is out of place and if you are offering nothing new to learn then your party is not attractive. If you were my guest you would get a fine meal and maybe even learn what a subject and predicate of a sentence is.

 

How can humans be the crowning point when you say creation is not complete? if will is free why does it need to be checked? Like I said that you are grateful for your condition does not demonstrate there is a god.

 

I don't see an issue with that? You? Isn't it about the species and beings that are alive at any moment? Everything is part of the cycle of life and death, do you find that problematic?

It's all your perspective and wording that make you see an existing God as inevitably horrible and mean. But what if I tell you God doesn't make children die or sick. It's action - reaction. Not divine intervention. I thought this would make ultimate sense to atheists. Because there isn't physical divine intervention or because there is pain and 'evil' in the world the Creator can't be what we think It is? Yes, this argument has been brought forth more often recently but I would like your own specific thoughts on it!? As it never made sense to me, or I can see how and why people reach that conclusion but it doesn't seem like the inevitable/absolute conclusion that God must be either evil or nonexistant because there is death and suffering next to all the life and joy.

 

God doesn't make so many babies; humans do and God doesn't make children die horrible, painful, slow deaths; humans do. It is human greed, stupidity and hubris that is the cause of the majority of these things.

 

To be fair, far from all painful deaths (incl. those of kids) are caused by other humans. Even in these days when humans could prevent a lot more deaths if they really put their minds to it (malaria for example) we still can't say we humans in general are responsible for or the cause of kids still dying of malaria. But neither is God.

 

I feel thankful that I have all these organisms in my gut. Same with my regular production of stool. Instead of complaining how this universe with all it's decline and death sucks I would say it is all a freaking miracle that it often works so 'perfectly' (abstract/fictional concept) on a daily basis. The more we know through scientific efforts, the more we are actually at awe and acknowledge how miraculous it all works it seems. With we I mean all kinds of people, it seems to count for very rational and intelligent nontheistic scientists too. Just feel like clarifying that last sentence before people put my miracle rambling in a specific religious corner again...

 

So it has no function or bearing on reality. Retaliation and attack are energetically synonymous and represent a war against reality.

 

Humans don't make malaria which children die from as an example already given.

 

My point in quoting the theologians was to refute Harris' implication that all religions teach that those outside their flock are damned, so what are we to do. I've often been told that by taking a chance on Jesus, I risk running afoul of Ganesh, but I don't think Ganesh gives a shit. Many theologians think the same about Jesus.

I'm not really surprised at Harris' metaphysical writings, because I've been following his spiritual growth for years. Besides his dedication to eastern religious disciplines, which put him at odds with philosophical materialists, he is also an ardent defender of moral absolutes. The Moral Landscape is an ambitious if flawed effort to put morality on an objective scientific basis. Despite his best efforts, Harris can't reconcile his behavioral determinism with moral absolutism, so the result is essentially warmed-over Bentham felicific calculus. But I basically agree with it, with deontological and contractarian quibbles. Any morality is better than none.

 

Do animals commit the planned, manipulative atrocities to each other that humans are capable of doing?
Maybe religion and the god concept is man's invention to glorify himself to himself.

 

The ones who do those things do not conceive of them as atrocities. They don't know what they are doing.

 

Somewhere deep inside I think some do.