Does God Exist?

So you feel judged is what you are saying. The measure you give is the measure you receive there spanky. By your words you feel justified. This is a law of perception. If you accuse me of judging you you will feel judged even though I do not in fact judge you. You also accuse me of being dishonest. Read my words again. I said I ask you to be self reflective of your positions, I didn't make your positions up for you although you dictate the role you would have me fill in your life by saying I am judging you and being dishonest about the fact that I am. Again I speak of our common experience.

I would ask you as a polite measure not to insinuate I am lying but rather reflect on what I am saying in a serious fashion.

As to you quote of 2 tim, I said already that I agree studying all holy scripture is beneficial and that there are holy scriptures in every religion. Why don't you study those as well? That is a question.

 

That is not an answer to my question. You cheat the opportunity for yourself to make a lick of sense.

 

too easy to debunk, just look at what christian scripture says about slaves.

thank-you! come again!

 

Bullshit. That is not by definition but by scriptural passage. I told you that line makes no sense as it is self contradictory. You manage yourself better definition wise by looking at the dictionary.

Number one entry

confidence or trust in a person or a thing.

having nothing to do with believing in something that cannot be verified for those who insist that must be included in the definition for it to be called faith.

 

Or you speak babble. Not suggesting you do but that is another way waterbrother avoids responding to questions that he may not be so deft at answering.

You both have your facts wrong. "Basically says" is hearsay. The bible is a repository of symbols that must be interpreted to be understood and does not require anything from you but attention at that level. The bible doesn't have a goal but the authors did which was to transmit information.

I also pointed out the misconception about the word faith.

Now usually when I point these things out people say well that just splitting semantic hairs but semantics is the study of meaning and if you are not concise with your own meanings how can you glean concise meaning from another source?

 

your right, but i purposely left out the exact quotes because i already know olderwater has the bible memorized so that would've been useless. but for everyone else, heres a popular one:


John 3:16-18 “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send the Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that they world might be saved though him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.”

 

Proportions
A part share or number considered in comparative relation to a whole.
The proportions you choose are the parts or specific descriptions you use to describe the whole. Do you get it? Has nothing to do with an archaic definition but everything to do with understanding how a word fits into a sentence. So you are clued in more specifically now. What of the things you do understand lazy brain?

I'll ask the question again, if scientific theories may be abandoned by virtue of better information why not the same for some biblical proportions?

 

So I have to take this passage with a grain of salt because this second hand claim doesn't jive with supposed first hand sayings like, not every one who says to me lord lord will enter but those that do the will of the father. or those who believe in me believe not in me but in the one who sent me. The author of john takes considerable poetic license in his narrative and makes theological claims not related to the words attributed to jesus. For instance there is no record of jesus claiming to be gods only son begotten or otherwise. Then there is this from another author, For those who are led by the Spirit of God are the children of God. There is record of him calling his god father. The prescription for devotion that is attributed to jesus is to seek god not himself, with all your resource and love your brother as yourself.

 

its true man, i told you before, your posts are really hard to understand. i dont know if your really good at writing or really bad, but maybe dumb it down a little for us, just for the sake of understanding you.
seriously when i read your posts, sometimes i think they might be written by kanye west mutha fuckin word-smith up in this bitch.

 

Because he said this; "To nail the final insulting nail in the coffin of the ludicrous, we are to believe that failure to comply with this demand of fact-less belief will result in an eternity of incalculable horror and agony, which will never cease nor wane, for all time, and ever and ever, because he loves us and just wants to be loved in return." and only someone with a profound ignorance of the Bible would believe such nonsense.

That is what he is saying, the problem... that is not what the Bible says.

As for your reason for saying that what is false is true, is that; "jesus basically says the only way to go to heaven is to believe in him", Jesus never said anything even remotely close to that and so that is false also.

Well in actuality it seems almost nothing you or mr. writer has said about the Bible is accurate and that is being generous.

It very well may "a new trend developing" in my posts, perhaps it is because of the "new trend developing" in what is being posted by others. If someone starts spouting off about the Bible and what it says and they are speaking from ignorance, then I'm going to call them on it.

 

As usual I have to break it down for you.

I have never asked you to stop posting, as far as I'm concerned you can post as much or as little as you want to but if you keep going on and on with your almost incomprehensible (meaningless) babble and then demand that I answer, don't expect me to waste my time.

As for my reposting your meaningless babble, you do enough of that yourself.

 

Okay.

Okay I'll try to make it as simple as I can.
Can you see Angel Falls in Venezuela from your window? No?
Then does that make them unreal because you can’t see them or does that make them realities though not yet beheld?

Okay if you want to go there:
eyewitness: 1. a person who actually sees some act, occurrence, or thing and can give a firsthand account of it

I would agree if it was just some guy in a crowd but it was not, there were many eyewitnesses not just one and there were even opposers, that were eyewitnesses, that would have had much to gain by just saying it didn’t happened but they didn’t. They basically said he did it alright but by the power of Satan not God.

Interestingly these eyewitness accounts were written at a time when other eyewitnesses could have easily disputed them but the accounts were not at that time disputed.

You play fair, you know "eye witness accounts" are still accepted in a court of law, especially multiple eyewitnesses.

And yet you reject what in a court of law would be considered "reasonable proof".

 

Honestly when you say things that are not in the Bible like they are in the Bible, that has nothing to do with conclusions, that has to do with actually knowing whether something is in the Bible or not.

 

It says that Christians should be slaves of God, so?

 

It seems you left out the heaven part, you did say heaven didn't you, where is that at?

 

so your going to tell me this quote is not remotely close to what your talking about:

John 3:16-18 “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send the Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that they world might be saved though him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.”

 

while eye witness accounts may be accepted in the court of law, i have never seen an eye witness report cited in a scientific study, the reason is because its just not good enough proof. you know this man, stop nit picking.

yes i reject eye witness accounts because its just not good enough for me to believe in something so important. i have never in my life changed my mind because someone else witnessed something, have you?

 

this is what i said:

it sounds like he is saying that the bible requires a fact-less belief, which is true because there are a few quotes where jesus basically says the only way to go to heaven is to believe in him.


olderwaterbrother responds:

here is my quote showing that jesus did indeed say something remotely close to that:

John 3:16-18 “For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send the Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that they world might be saved though him. Whoever believes in him is not condemned but whoever does not believe is condemned already, because he has not believed in the name of the only Son of God.”



olderwaterbrother responds:

so here in this quote olderwaterbrother cannot accept my argument because my quote did not mention the word "heaven". anyone with a bit of logic can see that olderwaterbrother is looking for these minor irrelevant details and is completely missing the point of the arguments.

 

to be completely fair, why dont you give me some info about the eye witness accounts, because so far, that is the only leg you have to stand on, everything else you post is nitpicking trivial errors that do not effect the over-all argument.

 

thats not the only thing the bible says about slaves:

Exodus 21:20-21 (NASB): 20If a man strikes his male or female slave with a rod and he dies at his hand, he shall be punished. 21If, however, he survives a day or two, no vengeance shall be taken; for he is his property.

im calling you out on your tactics: your nitpicking trivial errors that dont really affect the overall lack of evidence for existence of god, and you are completely ignoring that this part of the bible is wrong. therefore that makes this statement wrong: