Does God Exist?

what if you get to heaven and vishnu is like wtf bro?

 

its really quite simple.

one or more gods, may or may not exist.

what we pretend to know about them, is ourselves pretending.

we may at times commune with them, and that's all fine and well.

and what's fine and well about it,

is not depending on what myself or anyone else has to say about it.

does a god want us to be honest or dishonest? that is the question.

does it want us to be honest about everything else, but lie to ourselves about it?

not every mystery needs, to the point of our lying to ourselves, to be solved.

that's only the ego that requires that.

i'll believe what a god requires, when its told to me by a god, not by a man, nor a book written by a man, nor many men.

 

You seem to carry a firm stance although it's interesting or perhaps slightly odd to me, insofar that the stance is not really conclusive of anything. (Or perhaps I misunderstand your arguments) It seems that you are using essence and existence interchangeably regarding god(s), since you concede we can "commune with them" yet then contradict yourself by saying "we pretend to know them."

Maybe you can clarify your points and I'm going to prompt you with some questions which hopefully you can provide arguments for... Do trees exist? does someone you talk to on the phone exist? do unicorns exist?

 

^ You don't have to answer the questions in the 2nd paragraph there, I'm not sure where I was going or attempting to glean from that actually. LOL! Answer them if you'd like though.

 

I think the position might be the most knowledgeable position is no one knows and if you say you do you are full of shit.
But then what are we to do with saying you know this!

 

There is lots of proof that the Big Bang did happen. The real question should be what caused it.

I would like to believe that God exist but really don’t think so. [SIZE=11pt]Never seen any proof.[/SIZE]

If the stories in the bible are true. I’m not sure I can pray to that god. In the story of Moses he brought plagues and the one that freed the slaves was the death of the first born sons. So God kills innocent children and I’m supposed to worship him/her.

 

That's what gambling is all about. It could be worse! It could be Baal!

 

Something to consider – not believing in god is still a belief system (but good on you for thinking and not being taken in by the controlling religious organizations)
The only solution is to know for yourself – yes this is a simplistic statement that is not in the believe/disbelieve camp
[SIZE=11pt]It is possible – however extremely rare –as there are a plethora of groups handing out BS[/SIZE]

 

It depends on what you mean by God. If its truth then yes he's all around at all times. If by God you mean a possible being somewhere else at least recognize that this proposition has been produced by the mind. The mind produces imagination out of the subconscious which is just a record of the past. Why not just live in reality?

 

We can do both.

 

True, the mistake is when the imagery is confused with reality.

 

I'm not sure if the average person who doesn't happen to believe in a god isn't doing the same thing in different ways. Every human is producing imaginary/hypothetical ideas, concepts, opinions, insights etc. from its subconscious, triggered by his/her own personal set of associations and is linking that to their own reality to the point it is becoming part of it.

 

That's the problem. If you start from the subconscious then your reality will always be dictated by the past. If you want to know the truth the answer is full surrender to reality outside yourself. There is only one reality/God/truth.

 

Doesn't everybody start from the subconscious?

 

well not being conclusive is a good part of it, because factually we really can't be. beyond what we experience. and what we each experience is for each of us individually.

trees can be observed without having to be told about them, so that is a major thing. the word "tree" that's just our word for them, but they're a thing even a blind person can observe by touch, so there's not really a question of their being or not.

and a voice on a phone, there's several things that could be, we've gotten to where computers can even sing, and i've heard of, though never experienced this myself, but ghosts and nonphysical things talking on phones, well people have said they've heard that, but the most often, is that it is still a human person.

unicorns? why not?
that's in the area of things that don't have to exist and probably don't on this world,
because if they were a sustainable species on this world someone would almost certainly have cataloged them by now.
but something that could be called a unicorn could very easily exist on some world circling some other sun,
considering the probability of their being billions of such worlds.

my point about a god or gods, is that things can certainly exist without our having to understand or know anything else about them then that they do. and by extension of that principal, there's really no reason to assume, it or they, owe anything to anything anyone has ever said about them.

its really just our ego that insists we have to know anything about something for it to exist. all around us there are endless examples of things existing that each of us may know little or nothing about, and again, beyond our one world, there is so little we know about the rest of our physical universe. there are even solutions that work to concrete questions that are solved by accepting the possible existence of things completely nonphysical.

so between my experience and that, i have no problem with that there could both be a god or gods, and at the same time, everything we think we know about it or them, being completely way out in left field somewhere.

baha'u'llah, lao tsu, and even mohammid, have all said something similar. lao tsu i believe saying it best when he said in effect, whatever you think the tao is, it is almost certainly something else. of course they all except lao tsu, went on to elaborate and by doing so, seem to contradict that basic thought.

but i really think that's the one part they got fundimentally right.

sidartha gutama, of course, refrained from confusing the issue of what belief needs to be about, by not mentioning a god as such at all.

 

Good points on your part and I share similar ideas...

As someone whose family pretty much all believe in God, from what I can tell from them and in general with the occassional theistic appraisal of the situation, there seems to be this intrinsic connection with God for them, which is much like the telephone example you gave. It's fascinating you mentioned ghosts because I think that even strengthens this particular analogy. They may not fully understand God's quality but they seem to feel that God is somehow revealing itself to them through this non-tangible type of communication.

I think this aspect suggest to many theists that God is not out to completely fool them or there is this unseparable barrier they face in communicating with it.

 

To Asmo: No

We have the ability to be aware of what is happening around us and believe in that instead of our imagination.

 

The question of whether God exists is a largely an irrelevant one.

God is a concept in your mind.

If the concept is not believable you wont believe in it.
If the concept is believable you will.

If the concept is faulty your faith will fail you.

The importance of the concept of God is in that which you esteem. Whatever is most important to you is your God.

Deep in our evolutionary past lay the need to communicate.
Once the "Word" was God to us.

The ability to fashion tools improved our lives and that ability evolved untill people are literally creating the world they live in.

The creator become our "God" so that our lives are now defined by our creative endeavours.

 

In the beginning Man created God;
and in the image of Man
created he him.

And Man gave unto God a multitude of
names,that he might be Lord of all
the earth when it was suited to Man

And on the seven millionth
day Man rested and did lean
heavily on his God and saw that
it was good.

And Man formed Aqualung of
the dust of the ground, and a
host of others likened unto his kind.

And these lesser men were cast into the
void; And some were burned, and some were
put apart from their kind.

And Man became the God that he had
created and with his miracles did
rule over all the earth.

But as all these things
came to pass, the Spirit that did
cause man to create his God
lived on within all men: even
within Aqualung.

And man saw it not.

But for Christ's sake he'd
better start looking.

 

i think in some cases this is true, like when your concept of god is a vague energy or something like that. but sometimes they are described in great specific details that are just not compatible with our reality.