Does God Exist?

Discussion in 'Philosophy and Religion' started by Naiwen, Feb 24, 2014.

  1. AiryFox

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    That which has no evidence to support its existence, clearly.

    A concept does not magically bring something into existence. An extraordinary concept needs extraordinary evidence to support its existence. Without that evidence, the concept is a mere byproduct of an overactive imagination; a veritable fantasy with no basis in reality.
     
  2. thedope

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    Knowledge is being shared. Listen carefully because I am not at war with myself. If I hadn't had a body I wouldn't have missed a thing. God is that which we, not just I, invoke. I agree with you that we are every measure and in addition to that agreement every measure is a taste of our creative inheritance in creation. We are.


    Multiplication is quick addition.
     
  3. thedope

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    You didn't clearly answer the question but sought to define the term god that you yourself invoke.
    What doesn't exist?
     
  4. AiryFox

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    That which has no evidence to support its existence, clearly.

    That is the correct answer, despite your desperate attempts at seeking a different, illogical, answer you claim to already know and understand through your delusion.
     
  5. thedope

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    What delusion specifically do I entertain? What illogical proposition have I put forward? I have not claimed that we can't imagine things that don't exist. I point out that you have to deny evidence in order to maintain your argument.

    No that is not the right answer. That which is not real, does not exist. There is evidence for things that haven't even been inquired of as yet. Reality supports it's constituents in every sense.
     
  6. Asmodean

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    Why do you have to resort to calling someone with a different opinion/perception delusional? It seems because you're dogmatic in your convictions. And react with intolerance and denigration to those who confront you with it. Just as the people you so much dislike and proclaim are the cause of the trouble in the world :p

    It gets so tiring and pointless to see you repeat yourself. Can't help but reacting to it every once in awhile... :p
    I hope you are aware that you are doing the exact same as an dogmatic evangelizing christian :biggrin:
     
  7. thedope

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    What extraordinary concepts. Conception is our ordination. All ideas must be cultivated in order to endure in time.
     
  8. AiryFox

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    I do not deny that my fervor is at the same caliber, because I have admitted to being a militant anti-theist.

    The difference between me and religious fundamentalists (as well as those who ignorantly support their nonsensical beliefs), however, is that my conclusions and arguments are based on reality whereas their faith is derivative of mere fantasy/delusion.
     
  9. Asmodean

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    Well, I don't blame you for having a problem with the confronting kind of fundamentalists but if you want to be able to believe your convictions and talk about them in peace you should grant the same amount of freedom and respect to your fellow humans who are just as pragmatic and moral as you (if not more) in their every day life, regardless your opinion of their faith.

    So the reason you won't deny that is because you already admitted to being a militant anti-theist? Ha, I'd say you are a militant anti-theist because you are doing the same as an dogmatic evangelizing christian. You sir, are a hypocrite. And as long as you make a problem of other people having faith in something divine on itself (as opposed to people who abuse their faith to hurt or obstruct others, which i fully understand) you are obviously part of the problem of global intolerance in this regard.
     
  10. AiryFox

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    I will respect those who are non-religious. Nonsensical, fallible Faith is not above reproach. Anyone who has Faith, no matter how logical they may be in other aspects of their lives, will continue to be just as much a problem as the fundamentalists, because they are supporting that which engenders irrational thinking in otherwise reasonable humans.

    If anything, I am an honest, perhaps not so tactful, person who prefers the harsh truth of reality over the comforting lie of religion.

    The problem will always be preferring religion over reality.
     
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    I am a peacenik.

    Anyone here you take exception to?
     
  12. Asmodean

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    This is where you become dogmatic and hypocritical... and going wrong.

    If you will look objective you will find this is not so, the problem in this regard is intolerance and being unable to respect opposite mindsets. I'm not talking about those who act upon their faith by hating and obstructing others in their rights and freedom (as you seem to be willing to do to a milder extent as well!), which is not a faith problem or issue to me in the first place, but worth opposing for sure. I'm obviously talking about you generalizing and insisting the problem is with the faith and not the individual who acts upon it in an a(nti)social way.
    As long as you insist to project the actions of extremists and fundies and those conservative christians like those in the bible belt on every religious person or people with some kind of spiritual faith and act upon it by rambling in these topics how wrong they are for having faith you are just as hilarious and fallible as you perceive them to be and not being constructive and progressive in regards to society at all.
     
  13. Anaximenes

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    You should join the communists, or socialist workers party of the Librarian crowd (anyway). Then deism will take over in the question of the meaning of justice for the lower middle class. That's just as well sense as reasonable deduction of the god-created world of modern business.
     
  14. AiryFox

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    That is your opinion, and you are entitled to it. It does not mean that I am wrong in any way.

    I am always objective, and I have found that it is so.

    Some things should not be accepted, and religious faith is one of them. No matter how docile some believers are, the harsh truth should always be valued over the comfortable lie.
     
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    To the question of whether or not God exists, someone needs to first describe this thing called God. Then we can debate the existence of said being.
     
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    Of course, the next logical step in debate after the description would be to provide evidence for stated deity's existence. After all, what can be claimed without evidence can also be dismissed without evidence.
     
  17. thedope

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    Should I lay down to your edicts? I am not that docile. Reality supports it's constituents. Your anxiety is caused by the misapprehension of what is so.
     
  18. thedope

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    Just what I suggested. How does god appear to us.

    Answer;
    god is that which we invoke,

    is it not?
     
  19. AiryFox

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    No matter how many times you state that, repeating it does not make it true. Reality in no way provides any evidence for the existence of any deity. To state that it does is to misunderstand and misrepresent reality.
     
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    I am not pitching for the existence of any deity and you have no evidence that I have. Not by definition nor by implication. You are the theistically minded not me. I speak for our common experience.
     

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