Does God Exist?

Discussion in 'Philosophy and Religion' started by Naiwen, Feb 24, 2014.

  1. Wu Li Heron

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    Harmony neither acts nor reasons and slinging crap around wherever something might grow requires work rather than complexity. You can use complex machinery, but its certainly not necessary.
     
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    Harmony, work, action, complexity, all are nothing until they become something. Your way is as much my way and our way is as much all way. Yet is there not no Way?
     
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    When we make no distinctions between who we are and what we are doing there are also no distinctions between ourselves and the way.
     
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    Yet in acknowledging distinction in all its harmony and disharmony we also acknowledge the distinction of ways. Accepting the unacceptable and unaccepting the accepted. Gods, goddesses, nature, the lack thereof, human, inhuman, etc. All are ways.
     
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    The finger pointing at the moon is never to be confused with the moon itself.
     
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    Nice Buddha. "To hold until full is not as good as stopping.
    An oversharpened sword cannot last long.
    A room filled with gold and jewels cannot be protected.
    Boasting of wealth and virtue brings your demise.
    After finishing the work, withdraw.
    This is the Way of Heaven."
     
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    The bullshit that can be named is the kind you use to fertilize a garden.
     
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    Is that not the understood determination naming the gardener, the bull, the bullshit, and the plants within the garden? In this naming is not momentary harmonious order accepted and denied? Perhaps it simply is.
     
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    Words only have demonstrable meaning in specific contexts. What is one man's unwanted crap on his shoes is another's fertilizer for their garden. What simply is and isn't also becomes context dependent. I assume the moon is still in the sky when I'm not looking, but I really don't know and it makes no difference! From the ground the earth looks flat, from orbit round, from far away a dimensionless point, and from the other side of the universe its as if it never existed. It is all of these things and much more.
     
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    Is it not the seeking of context that understands meaning? What simply is and isn't? If it were context dependant would it not first be is? As such is not the making of difference and no difference just distinction of the seeker?
     
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    Me, myself, and I often disagree about who is in charge around here, while the greater context of the truth decides everything.
     
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    Truth and lie are like the finger pointing at the moon. Determined by division
     
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    We can accept the greater truth or deny it, but lies are determined by the greater self-evident truth which justifies itself by merely asserting itself within the silent void.
     
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    "Nothing is true, everything is permitted." The Assassin's Creed

    Every-Thing is true, No-Thing is true.
     
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    "There is no law except the law there is no law." John Wheeler
     
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    Within chaos order is born, within order law is determined, within law the lawlessness of chaos is understood. These things are the same. When they appear they are named differently.
     
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    A greater context without significant content and content without a greater context are demonstrable contradictions. Contexts can become content and vice versa, with the exception of the greater context that the truth determines everything.
     
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    "Pacifying the agitated material soul and holding to oneness:
    Are you able to avoid separation?
    Focusing your energy on the release of tension:
    Can you be like an infant?
    In purifying your insight:
    Can you un-obstruct it?
    Loving the people and ruling the state:
    Can you avoid over manipulation?
    In opening and closing the gate of Heaven:
    Can you be the female?
    In illuminating the whole universe:
    Can you be free of rationality?

    Give birth to it and nourish it.
    Produce it but don't possess it.
    Act without expectation.
    Excel, but don't take charge.

    This is called Mysterious Virtue."
    Lao Tzu and translated by Yi-Ping Ong
     
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    A statistic of one is an oxymoron,
    Yet Oneness has enthralled generation after generation,
    Because ritual is the end of honesty and compassion,
    And there are no organized religions without rituals,
    And few with a sense of humor about their beliefs.
     
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    A statistic of one is conceptualization
    Therefore oneness is nothingness the singular is the plural. Self generation is acceptance of lie and truth, yet a great gulf lies between them. What is that gulf if not nothingness? Always striving for Self we seek to fill that nothingness with ritual and law, honesty and compassion. No matter the striving we never seem to fully fill this conceptualized gulf. We never think to stop. We never think to let ourselves drown. We fear what we determine not to understand. Acceptance of the gulf gives understanding.
     

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