Does God create perfect souls or imperfect souls? Or both?

Human opinion and perspective are real, and there may be a core of general agreement, based on our common human condition and social needs, although there's a controversy over cultural relativism vs. universal human rights. http://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=943410

 

greatest I am, you say:
I am the one who judges the reality I wish to believe.
You do the same.
Yes, this is true but that’s not what you’re doing.

When you make statements like:
Not a healthy or productive way to read a book of philosophy.
Be it a talking snake or a Satan, they are still fantasies.
These are not stated in the form of beliefs; they are stated in the form of facts. Facts others must believe because, well they’re facts. Thus you are trying to force your beliefs on others. Why, because you have not bothered to even try to prove them as facts.

You are even trying to force your beliefs on others in your closing statements, when you say; “My reality makes sense. Yours does not.
God has no need for such foolish notions.” It’s just as if by saying it, you think it makes it true and so others must believe it too.

I’d say if you want to force these beliefs on others at least make some attempt to prove them!

 

Thanx neodude1212,
Sometimes I'll reread a post several times just to see if I'm reading it right. Because I just can't believe that a person has really said what I think they said and that I must misunderstand what they're saying. It's nice to get confirmation from someone else that I didn't misunderstand.

 

I'm never going to feel that something bad is right, for example murder - I don't think it can be justified - a life is a life, I don't see how it can then be right depending on your perspective.

I won't agree with that, whoever wants to feel free, but a wrong is still a wrong no matter what way you look at it.

 

I did not say anyone who goes against it is wrong. I compared to yours.

I am the only one who can understand my reality my way. You do the same with yours.
Yours happens to contain unworld ly notions that only children would believe. You can keep those if you like. I reject them. Simple.

Regards
DL

 

You are correct, He would not.

He would also not make anything that He could point to and say, I could have made that better. This, to me, means all His works are perfect.

This may prove it to you if you believe scripture.

Deuteronomy 32:4

He is the Rock, his work is perfect: for all his ways are judgment: a God of truth and without iniquity, just and right is he.

Regards
DL

 

If all evil were gone then all knowledge of good would go with it. They are connected.

Drop the knowledge of good and evil and you not only lose your moral sense you also lose basically all you know. You would become as bright as a cow, not knowing much of anything.

Is this what you would want. Not even knowing why or if you even should follow a God?

Regards
DL

 

A most stupid statement.

There is right and there is wrong. Any fool would know this. Give your head a shake.

Then again if there is no wrong then I have no ability to insult even fools like you.
You can't even get upset because that would mean that you somehow think my statement wrong. I love this position. I can insult all I want and there is no wrongness to whatever I say. Right on.

Fool, fool, fool , fool, this is fun. Fool, fool,-----

Regards
DL

 

It is impossible to prove a negative. You cannot prove the non existence of anything. It is to those who believe in talking snakes and other miracles to show their stuff.

Those who want to believe in talking snakes will with or without my words.

Those who wish to discard such stupid notions will of their own volition and wisdom.

How can any who believe in supernatural entities think themselves wise when the wise require even small amounts of proof and or logical paths to follow.

No wise person will believe in talking snakes, fish that spit out men after three days. Parting seas or walking on water or any other foolish notions.

Do not be a fool.

Regards
DL

 

funny.

this latest post proves just how much of a child you are, stapeling beliefs to my forehead, and claiming that yours are not childish.

like a three year old that screams he is a grown up.

 

It is not impossible to prove a negative.

*A. There is no cat under my bed*
*B. *Looks under bed* You are right! no cat!.*

As a matter of fact, every negative statement is just a positive statement in disguise. dont try to use logic against a believers if you yourself doesn't understand it.

And why can't supernatural events occur?
You demand proof for these, but that is an unreasonable request and I think you know it. Science is not equipped to deal with the supernatural.

So now we are down to, supernatural events can't occur because they are supernatural?
To quote you, "give your head a shake" and come back when you have something to offer.

 

That is because in your own mind, you have locked it to a definition of wrong.

Please understand that I also think that murder is wrong. But I think this is because we most likely were raised with the same set of core beliefs and fundamental morals.

But now, lets take a lone child that is raised all alone in the jungle by a hermit.
This hermit is just plain mean, and he raises this child to think it is good to kill, rape, torture, and all things like that.
This child wont thing these things are wrong. He has no other outside influence to tell him otherwise. How would he know?

 

At least we know why he is a hermit. He has killed off everyone else. His life will also be short because if he preches that killing is good then his aprentice will soon want to do good. Ah what a lonely life when we all kill each other. I guess we are just too stupid to realize that there is just no profit in such a policy.

Moon Beam, please do not relent.

Regards
DL

 

What I said is true though.

Btw, what did I do to make you backlash against me like that? :\

 

Just because someone was brought up to know no different doesn't change that fundamentally it is still wrong. What I am saying is that it doesn't matter what view we have on something - if it is wrong it is wrong. This lone child may only know this way of living - but that doesn't make what he is doing right.

My explanation of what I mean is a bit confusing!

 

Yes.
It is wrong to you and I.
But dont define it within your own head.
Think within his terms.
Does he define killing as wrong? no. then is it wrong to him. no.
right and wrong are things we have built.

 

I think it is wrong, but the kid can plead excusable homicide or (in Catholic parlance) "invincible ignorance." He didn't know any better. "Father, forgive them for they know not what they do."

 

greatest I am, I'm outa here!
When your reasoning degenerates into:
I’m right because I say I’m right and you’re wrong because I say you’re wrong.
The discussion is over.
Bye,
OWB

 

That isn't what I am saying. Yes it may be wrong to you and I, and it may seem right to him because he knows nothing else - but at the end of the day murder is still murder - just because you don't know it's wrong doesn't mean people can then say 'oh ok carry on - he doesn't know it's considered wrong'.

Like the law says 'ignornance of the law is not a defence', yes he may think it is right, but he doesn't change the rules because that is what he was taught.

It's like saying I believe all rapists should be killed and then I go around, kill them all and be let of believe I believed that I was right - which wouldn't happen because I don't have my own rules.

 

the point I was trying to make is simply

this.

that is how it can be right depending on your perspective. Is in excusable in a modern day society? should we just let him do w/e he pleases? no, and i never said that.
all i was addressing is how it can be right depending on your perspective.
I guarantee you and I differ on certain issues of what is right and wrong. everyone makes their own perspective on it.