Do you worry about so-called afterlife?

"Too weak?"

You have yet to show a single etymology, strong OR weak, that includes da'ath in the etymology of death.

Whereas, I have posted at least FOUR different etymologies, which do not include da'ath.

If you call four etymologies "weak," when you don't have single damn one ... then that's just pathetic. You're just flailing around in your loss now, unable to accept the fact that you were wrong, and unable to give a decent argument.

Translation: So you go ahead being right, and I will go ahead being wrong.

Everyone's understanding of the universe should be their own? Sure.

Everyone's understanding of the English language should be their own? Nope. That's why it's called language. It's standardized. You're either right, or you're wrong.

I could say "red" and mean "twenty-two," but you wouldn't be able to understand what I mean unless I actually said "twenty-two." This is the point of language. Death is death, it has a definition. And if it is ever used outside of this definition, then it is either a technical definition (for the purposes of identifying a concept that does not already have a word), or it is in another language, or it is used wrongly.

Hold on, stop. Back up.

For the last time, you are once again confusing "death" and "the afterlife."

Perhaps passing on (death+afterlife) has something greater in store for you.

But death is exactly what it means: the permanent cessation of vital body functions.

Secondly, this isn't an argument about concepts such as death and the afterlife. This is an argument about WORDS and their origin. That's what you originally were arguing about, that's what we're going to stick to. So what you just said above, holds absolutely no weight in this argument.

WHAT EVIDENCE??

The entire duration of this argument, you have posted nonsense, you have posted drivel, you have bullshitted your own fake etymologies, and you have avoided my challenge to show ANY evidence WHATSOEVER other than your creative little babble about Old English Guy and Hebrew Guy, which is irrelevant anyway!

YOU HAVE NO EVIDENCE! Now please, stop talking like you do!

An etymology would not be complete (as death's etymology is) if it could not be proven to have happened.

Some etymologies say "perhaps from" or "possibly from" indicating that evidence is inconclusive.

Death's is not inconclusive.

The etymology has already been proven, you are simply ignoring it.

No, the translation is actually quite defined. Especially within the etymology. You are, once again, simply ignoring it.

I don't think it did, but ...

Death is exactly what it is, death. The permanent cessation of vital body functions, including the function of awareness arising from sensory organs (what you might call "consciousness" even though nowadays, people associate that word with the word "soul").

That's what death is. Not just to me, but to anyone who speaks the English language.

I presume that you're asking me if/how/what/etc. I believe in the afterlife.

I do not believe in the afterlife. I believe it's possible. But I don't have any evidence for it, at least not objective evidence, so I don't believe in it.

If I had to be creative, and imagine an afterlife that makes sense, I would probably think something somewhat similar to what you do -- that our soul (another concept I don't believe in and don't have evidence for, btw) would be freed from physical boundaries, and with the loss of perception (since the body is dead), would henceforth exist in the universe without spatial parameters (so existing in the universe, but not having a specific or changable place in the universe -- something like "everywhere" and "nowhere" at the same time), being the same as all other souls that have passed on after that.

You could probably call this "becoming one" with the universe. I imagine "becoming one" as something with a perception-based connotation (i.e. that there is a "one" that can percieve and has a self, that you could be assimilated into). You might call such a being a "god." Or even just "the percieving universe," something like that.

But still, I have no evidence for any of this -- it's just a creative story that I imagine, would seem the most plausible out of all the creative stories I've heard.

 

Well if you look back, we noted that death has been perceived as a portal to this afterlife, the doorway for the soul to pass through. This is why I related death, to daath, because daath is a realm with knowledge etc that i said before. This I think is where you and I have been arguing, because yes, the definition of death is what you said, but if people also refer to death as a portal, than I guess those would be grounds for why I associated it with daath.

One etymolgy you gave me was dheu from Indo-European. I gave you god and got "gheu" for the same thing. When I looked at Olde English, I saw dath, now all I want to know is did the definition of dath change from being what the definition of afterlife was, or what daath meant, or did it stay constant and just mean cessation of life. My theory is the definition changed, which is also why I stick to my belief. If you can find for me the definition of dath in Olde English. My real main point is that the definition of death only describes the physical aspect of it, and leaves out the spiritual aspect of it. This was my point, and my belief was and still is death had two meanings at one point, and when it came to olde english and middle english it was filtered out. I associate ddeath and the afterlife as being the same thing, because death like I said, is the phyiscal act and spiritual act. The afterlife I guess would then, in my belief, be associath with daath, as this realm of knowledge. If you can prove to me this isn't what happened, with the definition evolving through out translation, I will beleive you. But I've looked and can't seem to find anything, so all I see is an etymology, and I can't tell if the definition has changed or not, my belief, is it did.

At least our views on death are very similar. I also think experiences on psychadelic substances give some what of a vague picture as to what this could be like.

 

By Germanic I mean Old German, and gothic as in pre old english.
There is no word for knowledge coming from an Indo-European stem, knowledge comes from gnosis which is greek. The closest thing to knowledge is Wit. from the PIE Witan, Wotan, wodan Odin. A shaman god surrounding intuitive knowledge.

wit (v.) "know," O.E. witan "to know," from P.Gmc. *witanan "to have seen," hence "to know" (cf. O.S. witan, O.N. vita, O.Fris. wita, M.Du., Du. weten, O.H.G. wizzan, Ger. wissen, Goth. witan "to know"); see wit (n.). The phrase to wit, almost the only surviving use of the verb, is first recorded 1577, from earlier that is to wit (1340), probably a loan-translation of Anglo-Fr. cestasavoir, used to render L. videlicet (see viz.).
Thought a master swordsman like yourself should know this about the great god ODIN. AND HIS RUNES!

 

I could imagine someone associating the concept of the afterlife with knowledge or gaining knowledge, and I could imagine someone associating the concept of death with being a portal to the afterlife, but ... associating death directly to knowledge seems farfetched to me, because it's dropping that crucial middle link.

But to each his own I guess.

When I look up death on etymonline.com, I get this:

"O.E. deað, from P.Gmc. *dauthaz, from verbal stem *dau- "die" + *-thuz suffix indicating "act, process, condition.""

No mention of dath at all.

And you know what is absolutely horrible?

"[Middle English deeth, from Old English dath. See dheu-2 in Indo-European Roots."

You are going to HATE me for doing this, but I just noticed this and I have to say something.

Look at what I just posted. This is the original etymology that made you think that death comes from "dath."

But look at the original website, http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=death.

Search for "deeth" and it'll bring you to that line.

Looks like it's from Old English "death" with a line over the e. Turns out, the e with the line over it doesn't copy when you select it, because it's an image.

Guess "death" can't really be related to "dath" or "da'ath" after all ...

Either way ...

I'll concede on this point, you did say germanic.

 

I don't even worry about this life.......never mind the next one

 

I'm fearless because I don't care about what's suposidly "good" and "evil" based on upon whatever "god" there is. I do what I believe what's right in my own heart and don't care if it's considered "evil" and that I will go to hell for doing so.

Because then in acting on fear, you are untrue to yourself and only acting out of fear of being harmed, which is incredibly selfish. To me it is better to do good deeds because you want to verses because you have to in order to go into heaven. Otherwise the good deed becomes false.

And for those of you who believe that way, do you not think God doesn't see into your thoughts like that? Do you think he is so easily fooled by such nonsence. There is more than one aspect of going into heaven. It's also about being a good person as well as believing. Just because you believe doesn't allow you a free ticket and acting good doesn't mean you ARE good.

 

no I dont worry about dieing.
I had a very near death experience a few years ago and I thought I was dying and it didnt feel that bad, well the pain of the injurys did, but the thought of dying wasnt as bad as I thought it would be .

my advice to anyone is have your affairs in order , have a will and then really at the end it isnt that scarey .

I dont think there is any afterlife or gods or whatever ,you just die and thats it but that isnt that bad a thing its just how things are, so no need to worry over them.

 

werd up, thats what I think too the pain from the injuries if it was a sudden type of thing would overwhelm any thoughts. Cuz I can't think when Im in pain.

 

Hey Hikaru how about another Etymology proving Im right! One just in time for hte holiday too. The Christian Easter! Is it not the same thing as the spring rebirth ceremony to the Babylonian Ishtar? Pronounced in some cases Eoastre.


Let's begin with the fact that the word "Easter" is not in the Scriptures. Some may say that it is Acts 12:4, but they haven't done their homework. Let's look at Acts 12:4: And when he had apprehended him, he put him in prison, and delivered him to four quaternons of soldiers to keep him, intending after Easter to bring him forth to the people.

The word is not Easter. It is a corrupted translation of the Greek word "pascha" which means "Passover," from the Hebrew word "pasach" meaning "to pass over." If you don't believe this, look it up it is #3957 in the Strong's Concordance Greek Dictionary.

Funny how also, Eggs are a major theme, and eggs were the major facet of worship during this holiday, seeing as Ishtar is the goddess of fertility. What was it that the Catholic Church did again? Oh yea rearranged the pagan holidays and renamed them and put up idols of Christ and the virgin mary instead. Thus prompting them to join, yet have the same holidays.

This is proof of how transliterations aren't BULLSHIT. Ishtar transliterated from Sumerian, Easter as it was transliterated from greek. Romans practiced Easter, not Christians. Rome was Babylon reborn. Peace Bitch, Daath=Death.

 

Wow, congratulations. You found a word that is related to a similar-sounding word in another language.

And yet, in your fun, you have completely missed the point of everything that I have said thus far.

I am not disputing the fact that words come from similar-sounding words.

I am disputing the specific case that death comes from da'ath, and furthermore, I am disputing the logic that JUST because they sound similar, they must be related.

And both of these, the specific case, and the logic, are false.

But just because if two words sound the same they aren't NECESSARILY related, that doesn't mean that if two words sound the same, they aren't NOT NECESSARILY related.

My words aren't black and white like that -- please pay attention next time.

LOL you make me laugh dude.

You find two words that have an etymological relationship and then use that to justify two words that DO NOT have an etymological relationship.

I'm sorry, at this point in the argument, this is obligatory:

You are a fucking moron.

You're right that not all transliterations are bullshit. However, that doesn't mean all transliterations AREN'T bullshit. And this is something that your feeble little mind has failed to acknolwedge over the past ... about 5 pages of this argument.

I'm going to say it once more -- please pay attention next time!

 

Im just proving you to that irrationality is as true as anything. So how can you be a slave to logic, when someone as irrational as me keeps insisiting bullshit. Explain that! OR RECOGNIZE THE ONLY TRUE GOD THE ATEN! GOD OF COSMIC RADIANCE WHICH EXISTS IN ALL MATTER! This god exists inside logic. Happy Tits.

 

Would you call a plumber the slave to his wrench? Just because I use logic to foil every single one of your pointless posts time and time again, doesn't mean that I am its slave. It just happens to be very effective against morons, like a knife through rancid butter. =)

Explain how you keep insisting bullshit? Let's see ... possibly because you have quite the ego, and can't stand to lose an argument, and can't admit to being clearly wrong in the first place ... resulting in the belligerent attitude you're spouting now, which not only makes you look ignorant, but immature as well.

 

The point was I wasn't insisting bullshit. I was proving that without illogical thinking, logical thinking can't exist. Therefore the reason logic works is only because you recognize the illogical as what it is. Yet this doesn't involve right and wrong. You think your right, I think im right. I gave you cultural proof, you show me corrupted etymologies, I show you Ishtar/Easter, you still can't fathom that their is a chance daath and death are related.

 

There is no death. There is no thought.

 

Without illogical thinking, logical thinking can't exist? Okay, maybe so.

Does it matter? Not in the slightest. Because logical and illogical thinking do exist. Does it back up your argument at all? Not a bit.

Right and wrong? No, it doesn't involved them. It does, however involve correct and incorrect. You think you're correct, and I think I'm correct, as you put it.

You did not give anything remotely close to "cultural proof." You and your friend reefer madness bullshitted etymologies, and could not even come up with a SINGLE etymology that worked, you showed me Ishtar/Easter, an example of etymology that DOES work, and I can fathom the idea that daath and death are related just fine, but that fathoming is just idle dreaming of what life might have been like if it happened a different way -- it would not be true.

 

True dat dawg. You win. Strike me down with Excalibur! I guess I will have to admit that daath and death probably aren't related. Now r33f3r must uphold the fort! R33f3r!!!!!!!!!! Shoot that arrow like Robin of Loxly!

 

Actually not HIKARU! I HAVE RISEN! I have another etymology proving I am right!

Nochy the Russian word for NIGHT!

of no relation to Nox IN latin! Nocturnal!
This is only the transliteration of the syllables from Cryllic to English!
AH HA! FINALLY I AM THE VICTOR!

Bow down to my sword of wisdom!

 

R33f3r Lets rejoice! We have gotten Hikaru to bow !

 

(laughs)

Edit: Happy 4/20, by the way.

 

no death i can live with but what's the fun of no thought?
isn't "no thought" what death IS?

not worrying is cool, but so are little people sized trains, forrested mountainsides, and little furry creatures with big sharp teeth.

the bardo actualy sounds like fun to me.
i LIKE the idea of alienness.

i don't of course wish to cause sadness by my endulgence.

not for the sake of some other life
or some aclaimation of merit
but because of having to live with
the concatination of what each and all of us
contributes to

how each of us chooses to perceive the bardo
makes it as much a heavin or a hell in our own minds
just as how we act
makes of this earth

i understand no reason i should want to not live many lives
of diversity and interest
even if the price of doing so
is the occasional pain
that would not exist
if people didn't do the things
that for everyone including themselves
cause it.

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