Do you worry about so-called afterlife?

Do not be, death is inevitable, so why be afraid? If you live a love filled with love, understanding, and positive morals, then what is there to be worried about?

 

I am Quite Afraid of What will Happen...

I Do Not Hold Any Religious Beliefs...And the Thought of Disappearing When One Has Died...Just Seems so Unbelieveable...

The Human Mind I Find so Wonderful...

I'm Sure Every Single Perosn is Affected by Death at Some Point in Our Lives...

But it's Just...When Death Finaly Reaches You...What Happens?

I Know this Question Can Never be Fully Answered...But it is Why I am Worried...About Dying...

 

Again, the inevitable is something we cannot control. Death, in my mind, is merely our soul, astral body, etc. releasing itself from its physical state. Merely a portal, bring us to this one consciousness we are all derived from. I still beleive there is a judging period, based on how one lives a life, but this is my beleif, and may not be others. So my only advice is not to fear something that has occured for millions of years in all creatures. Death is the act of walking through a doorway into a dimension made of imagination, our own personal Elyisum.

If you can understand death, and conquer your fear of death, than you will conquer death itself.

 

It didn't go straight from dheu to death. This was all in the etymology.

It went from dheu to dath ("dheu" was shortened to "da" and "th" was added as an Olde English suffix -- as there was inflected grammar in Olde English), and then changed to deeth in Middle English, and then "death."

Not really ...

I think it's an imaginative stretch.

I don't think I can imagine someone actually believing they are related, but I could imagine someone thinking "what if?"

And upon asking that what if question, seek the answer, which we just did.

And it's an imaginitive story.

But it's just a story, it's not reality.

Lmao ... that is a pretty funny mental picture isn't it?

Yeah -- just kind of one of those typos that gets past me.

It was once said, "I don't know where we're going, but what am I doing here in the first place?"

Who cares what happens? It can't be known, so it shouldn't be worried about unwarrantedly. =) That's how I feel at least.

 

I dont belive in god , well not as a being. I think god is a chemical or an essance or the world its self. Well I AM scared of the after life , anyone who says they are not scared might be lying , When you die you are going to a totaly new place you have never been. I am scared of the after life , im scared that there might not be an afterlife... sometimes i lye in bed at night thinking of the future ( death ) and im only 15. I have been haunted by the idea of dying since i was around 10. It doesnt bother me alot , just sometimes i will do somthing stupid like skateboard down a highway LOL , then ill lye in bed and realize i almost could of died and ended my life;... do you know what im saying?

 

Hikaru well heres another one, if Dheu is the indo-european word for death, and gheu is the word for God. Well thats only one letter different. Every religion say death brings you to god in some way,either directly or to heaven or hell or into a transmigration of the soul. So death and god are one letter off? Where saying Gnosis=Daath=the only true knowledge of god and life atainable to your mind.

The examples keep sprouting up dude. Dheu is also alot like Deus in Latin, meaning god. Latin is Indo-European and stems back to an obvious original one language. Used before the time of the Tower of Babel in the bible. WHich coincides with evolution from northeast africa if you wanna beleive in that instead of the deluge.

Every religion is about death in some aspect or another. It is THE MAJOR proponent of our evolutionary-recently developed fear of death. (THat when alot of the time our emotional animal bodies take over, naturally ceases, untill your so called "thinking clearly"). This major fear factor created religion, and cultic behavior. After the fall to the monotheists.

 

See the thing is with me is i dont belive in hell... i dont know where or who got the idea of it in the bible... I was raised jewish i dont know what i am now ... but in the jewish torah there is no mension of hell. Only if you do bad things your soul will go threw cleasing before you reach heaven..

in my theory i belive heaven is another dimension.

 

You should be more of afraid of life than death.

 

So by your and reefer's logic ...

God is death!

GOD MUST BE DEATH HOLY SHIT!! I WONDER IF THIS IS RELATED TO LESIONS AND TROUT!!

*rolls eyes*

Congratulations. You haven't learned a thing in the entire duration of this argument.

No, you and reefer keep MAKING the examples up!

Look at that shitty excuse for an "etymology" that reefer made up!

Look at the dumb logic you are using above! OH WOW DHEU AND GHEU SOUND THE SAME, SO THEY MUST BE THE SAME!

Go back to fucking kindergarden, man ... learn how to think. Just because A is like B, doesn't mean A is B.

WOW, SO THEY MUST BE THE SAME HOLY SHIT GOMGOMGOMGOMG.

I'm sorry man -- at this point, I'm not going to post anything more than a mockery of your drivel, because that is ALL that your argument is resting upon -- drivel, fake "creative" etymologies and transpository relationships between letters.

If that is the best that you can come up with, then "HOLY SHIT THEY MUST BE THE SAME" is all I'm going to come up with. Because that's pretty much identical to what you are saying.

The difference between what you're saying, and my mimicking of what you're saying? Mine is awesome because it's in all caps, which is like cruise control for cool.

*rolls eyes again*

Oh and one more thing.

"deity - c.1300, from O.Fr. deite, from L.L. deitatem (nom. deitas) "divine nature," coined by Augustine from L. deus "god," from PIE *deiwos (see Zeus).

Turns out that "deus" is derived from "deiwos," not "dheu," and not "gheu."

Once again, your argument, as creative and outside-the-box as it might be, is still just made-up drivel wearing the Greater Cloak of Persuasion +2.

Oh and just as a reference, "PIE" means "Proto-Indo-European." That means, anything in PIE is from a language before even Indo-European.

According to Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PIE), there is no evidence that such a langauge even exists, although it is generally accepted to have existed because evidence suggests that it did. This language was never written down.

Furthermore, Hebrew is a derivitive of Proto-Semitic languages, which may in fact be related to Proto-Indo-European languages (though, this has never been documented, it is only speculative, like PIE).

What does this mean? This means that, IF ANYTHING, "daath" might have stemmed from "dheu" and not some other way around.

And what does that mean? That means, there is SIMPLY NO WAY that "death" might have stemmed from "daath." The two words are separate branches.

And as I said before, even this relationship is only speculative. There is NO CONCLUSIVE OR EVEN HIGHLY SUGGESTIVE EVIDENCE that supports the idea that Hebrew and other Semitic languages have a relationship to Indo-European languagues.

Now you might ask, why are some English words based off of Hebrew words? The same reason why we use "RSVP" (Responde sil vous plait, French) and why we use "kindergarden" (from kindergarten, German). Words from some languages tend to find common usage in other languages, which don't already have words for those words. There was no word for "pre-1st-grade" in English, so we took the German word for it. There was no commonly accepted phrase for "respond if you please" in English, so we started using the French language to mean it. The same is true with "Bible" from Hebrew. We didn't have another word for such a holy book.

Too bad that we did already have a word for death.

 

So if we borrow words, why does death have to be the only one that's not.

Like I said, your etymology shows that daath comes from "dheu". Well god comes from "gheu". Dheu-Gheu, I see a similiarity here, not.

All Nimrod is suggesting with the dheu, deus example is that it is not coincidence it happened. We may never know who decided to flip the script and keep words sounding the same. We also know throughout history languages have had double meanings. So to me, all your doing is trying to prove something that really can't be proven, but a little bit of skepticism on our part I think is granted here seeing how the definitions and word structures are strikingly similar in many cases.

 

Dheu and Gheu, and Im sticking to it. Death and God NIGGA.


Pmeth
Thats rad though how jews dont believe in an afterlife really. Obviously this shows where Christianity and Islam altered the true monotheism for mind control. Yet Islam claims to be the religion of Abraham, and from seeing how Abraham was the first guerilla terrorist, launching attacks in the night. It makes sense. No priesthood like the jews and christians either.

 

Because death isn't a borrowed word. That's exactly what I've been saying all along.

Death isn't the "only one" that isn't. The vast, vast, VAST majority of English words, aren't borrowed from other languages. Evolved from other languages, yes, but not borrowed.

And again, you weren't paying any attention whatsoever to what I said.

I said, IF ANYTHING, daath might have originally come from dheu.

HOWEVER, there is no conclusive, or even suggestive evidence, that suggests that it does, as "da'ath" is Hebrew (from Semitic, from Proto-Semitic), and "dheu" is Proto-Indo-European, and no link has been shown between Proto-Semitic and Proto-Indo-European.

What does that mean? That means, da'ath was originally something before that, and whatever that was, it was something else before even that, and whatever THAT was, that MIGHT but PROBABLY wasn't related to "dheu."

And even if it was, it would mean "da'ath" is related to "dheu," and "death" is related to "dheu", but it would not mean "da'ath" is related to "death".

A came from C
B came from C

This does not mean that A came from B.

In fact, it means, it is IMPOSSIBLE for A to have come from B. Unless, A came from B which came from C, which is not the case.

And that suggestion is wrong. I just proved it wrong. Have you not been paying attention?

Actually, no single person DID flip the script. The script flipped on its own, over centuries. And we know this, FOR FACT.

Stop putting in bullshit like "we may never know who did it ..." becuase we know exactly what happened.

Yes. Death, and God.

NOT fucking RELATED, END of story, let's move on PLEASE.

 

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Ok, so right there you contradicted yourself, leaving open the possibility I'm right.

The only person going to win this argument is the person who builds a time machine first. I'm already bidding on a flux capacitor on ebay.

 

THERE IS NO POSSIBLITY THAT YOU ARE RIGHT, DUMBASS.

You left out critical parts of what I said, to twist my words to your will. That is a VERY slimy thing to do.

I said:

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And even if it was, it would mean "da'ath" is related to "dheu," and "death" is related to "dheu", but it would not mean "da'ath" is related to "death".

A came from C
B came from C

This does not mean that A came from B.

In fact, it means, it is IMPOSSIBLE for A to have come from B. Unless, A came from B which came from C, which is not the case.
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YOUR ARGUMENT IS:

Death (A) came from Dheu (B).
Da'ath (C) came from Dheu (B).
Therefore, Death (A) came from Da'ath (C).

THIS IS ONLY TRUE WHEN:

Death (A) came from Da'ath (C) which came from Dheu (B).

IS THIS TRUE?

Let's think now. In order for this to be true, Da'ath would have to have appeared somewhere in the etymology of Death, somewhere between Death and Dheu.

DID IT?

NO.

THEREFORE ...

YOUR ARGUMENT IS NOT TRUE.

Death did not come from da'ath! Death came from dheu, and da'ath MIGHT (much less than a percent chance) have come from dheu, but death did not come from da'ath!

To recap, your argument stands absolutely ZERO chance of holding true. Your argument is NOT that da'ath came from dheu! And I NEVER said that it didn't. I don't know the etymologyof da'ath. But I do know the etymology of death, and it does not include da'ath ANYWHERE!

Now shut the fuck up already and READ WHAT I AM SAYING FROM NOW ON.

 

Nimrod,

I think you misunderstood what Pmeth said. There is a Jewish afterlife. There's just little mention of the afterlife in the Tanach. But there is no hell in Judaism. And eschatology is no hard science, so there are multiple ideas about what might happen after this life, nothing carved in stone.

 

Well it's hard to agree when your not arguing over what I'm trying to say. Ok, daath didn't come from dheu, I understand this. But death did come from dath, which came from dheu. My argument was that at this juncture, when death came from dath, is the influence of the definition "daath". Dheu which means to die, could have been the original term, which is the Indo-European influence, then with the arise of dath, we get the influence of the Hebrew term "daath". Combing to the two, to die, and daath meaning "wisdom or knowledge in an abyss of the unfathomable", and creathing death, the unknown.

That is my argument. Sorry I'm too skeptical for you, but being skeptical is what make things evolve, and keep change constant.

 

Yea there is an afterlife for Jews, considering all Jews go to heaven, which is racist as fuck In my opinion but still it works as a conversion method. As for a bad after-life according to this comparison chart, Im not saying its a perfect source for the info but it says the bad afterlife is eternal Gehena, which means reincarnation. So obviously theres no heaven/hell like you said. Yet what about for gentiles? Are they bound to gehenna for all eternity?
http://www.religionfacts.com/islam/comparison_charts/islam_judaism_christianity.htm

Plus why is there no mention of reincarnation in Christian text? Or in general knowledge of Judaism they teach you in school. Cuz this then shows a strong connection between the Gnosticism and Judaism. The idea of reincarnation, slavery to god in this realm, and freedom only upon death, yet you can touch gods presence through diviniation techniques. This is why I dunno I have to say Islam was the religion of Abraham,Isaac,Jakob, and Moses (who by know after being initiated in the Egyptian mystery cults would have been the first to learn occult science, In my opinion, the only other explanation would be Akhenaten the heretic monotheistic Pharoah was the father of modern Judaism, taking the religion of the Habiru mercenaries, and combining it with the elite knowledge of the priesthood and Pharoahs of the time, creating a religion to the all god thats not masked in the enlil (vengefull god of submission) rituals and practice, yet he was shaken at the fact that humanity couldnt accept this, and decided to instead mix these Ideas of the Hebrews, and "makeup" the covenant and the vengefully submission aspect of it. God made a covenant with the Jews to suffer is bullshit in my opinion. They left it wide open for any type of infiltrators to work off this ideal and DISTORT THE TRUTH AND BRAINWASH PEOPLE. Therefore any shadow organization could takeover and use the Jewish people just like the Nazis tried to do, just like the Babylonians did. This is not the place for this discussion Ill start a post in the Judaism forum about it if youd like to continue this discussion, and don't have anything to say about the daath death Im going to paste a similiar post in there and you should respond in that forum.


As for the dath death, HIkaru say what you want your wrong.

They are related, if not in etymology then in religious terms. Death is why God exists. So don't say that to me again. Even you agnostics, atheists w/e think that god is a major component of fear and imagination don't you? So thats bullshit plus dath came into old english not middle english, middle english was deeth which couldve been substitued with a double As intead of Es. So what the germanic word for knowledge, was Witan, close to Wotan(odin) the chief god of knowledge and shamanism? Is this not related? Is that not related to the idea of Gno and Gnosis to the gnostics? Is it not true that death was the ultimate in both of those cults? Is it not true that da'ath meant knowledge in hebrew, and is a synonym of gnosis?

So where did Deeth come from? Knowing that middle english was the first migration of Latin and greek words. You haven't proved anything yet.

 

Survey says?

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WRONG.

How do we know that dath wasn't influenced by da'ath?

Becuase linguists and historians, because scientists and geographers, cartographers and experts of pretty much every type, flavour, colour, and brand, have all gone over how humanity evolved and how we spread from different regions, and how language affected other languages. These experts have compiled the history of the words "death" and "dath" into what is called an "etymology."

And the professional consensus -- one that is far more knowledgable than yours -- is that death and dath are COMPLETELY unrelated from da'ath!

Now stop ogling at the difference between the transliteration of da'ath and dath.

To boot, dath does not mean what da'ath does. Furthermore, IT DOES NOT EVEN SOUND ANYTHING CLOSE TO da'ath (which does not have a vowel sound, and may not have even had a "th" sound!).

So, shut up already man. You're mistaken, just accept it and let it be!

What the fuck?

Are you fucking retarded? Do you even know what skeptical means? Here, let me get a definition for you once more ...

"Marked by or given to doubt; questioning" - Dictionary.com

Do you actually believe somehow that YOU are the one who is doubting a claim? YOU are the one making the absurd claim that death and da'ath are related, I'm the one who is disbelieving the claim. That would make ME the skeptic in this case (not that it matters), not you.

You blow my mind, man.

I'm going to have to ask you this question -- and I want you to answer it this time -- one last time:

Have you even been paying attention during the entire discourse of this argument??

CONGRATULATIONS!

We are not fucking talking about religious terms!

We are talking about THE WORDS and ETYMOLOGY.

You have just conceded the argument -- THANK YOU, now let's drop it.

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OH WOW HOLY FUCKING SHIT THEY COULD HAVE PUT TWO A'S INTO IT AND NOT E'S OH MY FUCKIGN GOD, MAYBE THEY COULD HAVE PUT IN AN O AND GOTTEN DOTH ... WAIT A SECOND, DOTH IS IN THE BIBLE, MAYBE EVERY GOD DAMNED MOTHER FUCKING TIME THAT THEY SAY "THOU DOTH" MAYBE THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT DEATH!!!!

HOLY FUCKING SHIT! I HAVE TO TELL SOMEONE ABOUT THIS! HOLD ON, LET ME SMOKE THIS BOWL!!!

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And the key point that you have failed to realize?

It doesn't fucking matter if they COULD have put two a's instead of two e's. Did they? FUCKING NO.

And the second key point that you have failed to realize?

It doesn't fucking matter WHAT they put instead of the a, because in da'ath, THERE IS NO VOWEL SOUND. NO A SOUND, OR E SOUND, OR O SOUND, OR ANYTHING. It's roughly equivalent to the Japanese chisae tsu, or "small tsu" that is almost always romanized as two of the same consonant in a row, causing a type of broken or delayed pronunciation of that word.

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You know what, I'm not even going to waste my time ... I'm just going to say that, you're a moron.

Edit: Actually, I'm going to say something else. I went to http://www.freetranslations.com/ and typed in "knowledge," changed it from English to German, and it said Kenntnis, not Witan.

And then I went to the Babel Fish at http://world.altavista.com/ and typed in "knowledge" changing it from English to German, and it said Wissen.

And then I realized ... wait a second, I'm stupid, I KNOW GERMAN. And I have used the verb wissen, to speak about knowledge, to say "I know" or "you know or "they know" or "we know." And, I also know, that in fact, the German word for "knowledge" IS wissen, and not witan!

Where did deeth come from? FROM DATH you idiot. And not da'ath, from dath.

And yes, I have proved something -- that your and reefer's original argument is flat out wrong, and you have even conceded this argument above.

Now shut the fuck up already! Jesus Christ!

 

skeptic - Someone who habitually doubts accepted beliefs

As for daath, I still don't have enough evidence, the etymologies are too weak. So you go ahead thinking death doesn't pertain to knowledge or wisdom, and I will. Seeing as how everyones understanding of the universe should be their own, not someone else's, right? So if beleiving that death has something greater in store for me is wrong, than I don't want to be right. I have found enough evidence to see that they could be, and could quite possibly be related, so I'll stick to my belief, and you can stick to yours.

Like I said, we need a time machine to prove this etymology, seeing as how the translation is shrouded in mystery, being swallowed by time. Only 5 days left till I win the flux capacitor on ebay! Then we'll see who's right once we go back in time.

Good argument.

/Puts sword back in holdster

p.s. - What is your belief in death anyways? Did that ever arise in this argument?