Do You Think That All Human Aggression Is In Self-Defense?

The ego meant over here is the separate sense of self, which considers itself separate from the whole. It is the outcome of a mind perpetually in time, that is, in the past or future, due to intense attachments, desires and cravings.

It is but an illusion, and which is the fundamental reason for the unstable nature of the ego. Due to its illusory nature, the ego is brittle,fragile and insecure and perpetually in need of power and elimination of 'enemies' to protect itself. This creates conflict and issues.

The state of awareness mentioned is when one is deeply in the present moment. The ego cannot exist in the present moment.

 

No it is not self conception but a conception of self. You are conceived before you conceive and you conceive with, to conceive meaning to seize or take together. We develop a sense of identity for ourselves and for others which is demonstrated by the fact that you are given a individual name and a family name which organizes your associations from the earliest moments.
To help you pick up my trail.on the statement the ego that calls the body it's home encounters itself separate from all other bodies, I ask do you conceive that there is someone else in there beside you?
i didn't say conceives itself body and nothing besides. I said conceives itself a body and consequently sees itself as separate.

 

I know what you are trying to express. What other moment is there? Does that mean you need be devoid of a sense of self to exist in the present moment or any other moment? I think you are attached to a new age consumers doctrine not a measure of overall understanding or in other words you read it in a best selling book. A conflicted mind is the one that seems unstable. Everything arises in conception including the appearance of conflict. To say that the ego doesn't exist denigrates the power of mind to produce it's conceptions and sets you shadow boxing against yourself or your idea of self. The way you transcend ideas of self is to choose again, a conscious choosing of home. We are taught to identify with the body as our own sanctum and that lesson is very self centered and puts you in a contest for space as you cannot physically occupy the same space I am standing in. I find my sanctum in reality at large or I call the world my home and find myself precisely at the center of the world as we all stand together.

 

:-D lol It isn't but it is? You've lost me again!

There are plenty of others in my self conception, you for instance, and all who appear to me. The distinction being I am no-one but myself.

I know what your idea about identification with the body is and that it inevitably leads to depression. But the truth is that identification with the body does not in any way necessitate a perceived separation.

 

The present alone is that exists. But the egoistic self is caught in time in the past and future, due to the influence of karma or unconscious tendencies and hence misses the present. This is similar to a dreamer who is dreaming and absent to the present.

The sense of self you mention over here is an illusory self which is the product of time. When you cease dreaming you wake up. The dreaming state is also a fictitious illusory state no matter how attached you are to it because it may be a very good dream.

And the conflict in the human mind arises because of the unreal nature of the ego and the natural state where pure consciousness abides.

Thus avoidance of conflict would then start with cessation of conception.

The mind, based in awareness or pure consciousness, has the power to produce conceptions without the aid of the ego. In fact this creative power increases exponentially when the ego is non-existent . Most discoveries and inventions have come when thought had been exhausted in search and ceased for a span of time.

The idea of self is manufactured by thought. And thought has a beginning and an end and hence is impermanent. Similarly the idea of self you state here , is also a product of thought, and hence is impermanent. It is only an illusory veil that may be covering what may be permanent and true.

Transcendence of the ego does not necessarily mean that one should step on other's shoes. It can lead to more sensitivity and compassion for all and hence one becomes all the more alert not to create conflict or step on another's shoes.

However this is not the case with an ego which is basically brittle due to its illusory nature and seeks all kind of excuses to step on another's shoes and create conflict.

 

Most genius is based in egoistic fortitude. Aside from perhaps the arts, people who are usually labelled as geniuses have a firm base of knowledge, which requires a ton of accumulation of knowledge and thought. So while a discovery or invention may come from an epiphany in a pure state of awareness, the vast majority of ingenuity is based in a firm understanding of the applications of such a discovery as well as how it is assumed to best be applied.


On a side note, if we are to grant you some discoveries occur due to epiphanies in pure consciousness, then I feel it should be mentioned that some discoveries and inventions have occurred in dreams, which you are also suggesting is illusory.

 

Well we don't have to go far for the wheels to come off do we?
If the present alone exist then nothing is trapped in time.

 

Well look around because I haven't pulled the ground from under you.

So your self conception is both is and is not. Seems sometimes you loose yourself. I am not so conflicted.

Whut?
" The distinction being I am no-one but myself. "

 

no, not all.

 

:-D You lost me, not I.

No, it is. That other selves may join me in it make it no less my own. You say ego is "not self conception but a conception of self." I don't think you conflicted, but I do think you have a loose tongue! :-D

My being no-one but myself is no separation. Do I have to be you to be with you thedope? lol

 

You seem here to me.

My tongue doesn't speak for itself, it speaks for the fact that I know what is the same and what is different and not the same.
Self conception is thinking or awareness a conception of self a specific thought or focus. If you were to say a self conception then I wouldn't make the distinction.

Unless you're alone.

 

In not following, at least to the point of sharing in your confusion about whether the ego is self conception or not? :-D

:-D Wouldn't?! You haven't still! lol

 

Not even then.

 

odd

 

You don't follow because you haven't learned to distinguish between what is the same and what is different and not the same. Conception is conception.
Conception is the act of conceiving or the state of being conceived. You do not create yourself as you are created in conception. You conceive and also create as you conceive.

 

lol Well, your second and third and fifth sentences stand! The first and fourth don't, save as sentences of course. :-D

 

How is our being no-one but ourselves alone a separation?

 

Tastes great yes but less filling? You are a conception a thing taken together, never ever on your own.

 

lol No, our own is always conceived together. You may think yourself more distinguishing than I thedope, but the proof is in the putting! ;-D

 

I don't think myself more distinguishing, I don't golf.