Do you think Obama will be re-elected in 2012?

this is a joke, right? That is the same kind of rhetoric that politicians throw out to manipulate public opinion. "If you are against so and so, then you hate freedom and liberty." what the hell does that even mean?? Its a completely empty statement.

I see little difference in Democrats and Republicans. Neither are liberal or conservative because they don't strive to achieve anything past what will put money back into their campaign contributor's pockets. Both want to expand government, and both have successfully expanded our federal government to an unprecedented level in the past 10 years.

 

FIRST OFF LET ME SAY MERRY CHRISTMAS NUTHIN BUT LOVE AND BEST WISHES TO ALL!!!

For everyone else, this is in response to a post from Scratcho. I couldn't deal with the quote button and putting my replies in between his/her posts. Is there an easy way to do that, I dunno. Anyways, Scratcho's posts are in bold.

No,you're no professor. Answer a few questions for me,if you would.

I don't know why I'm going to answer these questions, because they miss the point. The thing is, I don't necessarily always support the Republicans. You ask questions that debate the line between Republicans and Democrats. I don't care about all that. What is important is the line between Conservative and Liberal. Bush had some liberal policies, and Clinton acted like a conservative at times. JFK was a democrat, and he had some great tax cuts, like a good conservative.


Who was the last president to balance the budget?
Clinton. And for the last six year of his presidency he had a Republican congress. Clinton probably got elected due to Bush I’s liberalism and failure to continue Reagan’s strong conservative policies. The 104th congress probably got Clinton reelected in 1996 because they pushed through strong policies, like balancing the budget.

Who was president when our economy and thereafter the world economy went toes up?
Bush, and I have said several times that I didn’t like how liberal Bush was. TARP was a mistake. The Medicare Prescription plan was a big spending deal that was not paid for.
But culpability for the current financial mess lies mainly with the democrats, mostly because of the housing bubble that burst because of the subprime credit crisis. Democrats, starting with Carter and the Community Redevelopment Act forced banks to make bad loans. Clinton continued these policies. I don’t know if Reagan, Bush I or Bush II did anything to reverse these policies, but I don’t think they advanced them either. That is why we are in the current recession. Democrat policies. Bush may have been partially complicit in the current recession, but the 110th congress is mostly complicit.

Who was president when the wars started? Bush. But did he start them? No Khalid Sheik Mohammed and Company started the fighting on 9/11. Now, I don’t know how to fight those wars, maybe they could have been fought more efficiently. But something definitely needed to be done to keep us safe.

Which party voted against women's rights? OK, yes 100 years ago it was primarily the Republicans that voted against suffrage for women. So, you got me on one, big freakin’ deal. But that is irrelevant today, because nobody today is saying that women should not be voting. Nobody is saying women should not have all the same benefits as men. Now, I admit that women don’t always get the same treatment in the workforce as men do. But that has nothing to do with right vs left.

Which party voted against integration? Ummm, the democrats. 99 democrats signed the Southern Manifesto. 2 Republicans signed. That was a document to counter Brown vs Board of Education. Now, I am a Southerner, and the whole racism and slavery thing was a terrible part of our past. But we can’t do anything about that now other than learn from it and move on. And it was the democrats who were supporters of slavery and supporters of segregation. Do you know who Orval Faubus was? He was the Democrat governor of Arkansas that tried to block the integration of Little Rock High School with the Arkansas National Guard. So, President Eisenhower forced the ANG to step down and sent in the Army to protect the little black kids. Robert Byrd, democrat, filibustered the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and was at one time a member of the Ku Klux Klan. J William Fullbright, democrat, signed the Southern Manifesto, voted against the voting rights act of 65 and filibustered the Civil Rights Acts of 57 and 64. Fullbright was one of Clinton’s mentors, but I don’t know if Clinton admired him for his racist beliefs or not. Yes, all three of those guys reversed course later on, but was it because they saw the error of their ways, or because they realized that it was politically expedient to reverse course. We don’t know, but they were all members of the party that voted against integration. Now, like the Women’s Suffrage argument, I think this, too, is mostly irrelevant, because racism is nothing like it was in the 40s and 50s. I don’t think anyone in either party believes in those racist policies, but you brought it up.



Which party presently does not want and will not vote for regulations on the banking industry? I don’t want more regulations. Regulations are bad. I love how liberals hamper the Free Market through onerous regulations and high taxes and then holler about how the Free Market doesn’t work.

Which president probably saved this country from going socialist(which I think would be more inclusive) or communist in the 30s by coming up with the CCC and WPA? You’re going to have to explain yourself on this one. But first, let me ask you something; When do you think the Great Depression would have ended if FDR hadn’t meddled in the economy. 1935? 1936? 1934, maybe? Did you know there was a private company, I think it was Du Pont, that wanted to build the dams of the Tennessee Valley Authority, but the Federal Government wouldn’t let them do it? Of course, parts Tennessee was in pretty bad shape at the time and something had to be done. And the government did do some things correctly. But a private company could definitely have done it better, cheaper and quicker. Private companies always do everything better cheaper and faster than the government.

Which party voted against social security and wants to "privatize it" now so that the wall street and banking interests can get ahold of it? I wish we would privatize Social Security because the Federal Government is doing a damn good job of fucking it up. Like everything else the government gets it's hands on.


Now,Palin is a know nothing which most of the world population would not respect and would realize,if she were elected ,that the people in this country have finally gone completely round the bend. How so? Palin would get us independent of foreign oil. Palin would cut taxes allowing companies to prosper which would put Americans to work. How is she a know nothing? And why are you concerned about what the rest of the world thinks? Do you really think Obama commands respect? He is all over the world apologizing for America, which is completely unnecessary. He thinks he can make friends with Islamic Terrorists, which he can’t. To Islamic extremists, he is the worst kind of Muslim. I know he identifies as a Christian, and that is why they hate him. He was born to a Muslim father, and that makes him a Muslim forever, according to the beliefs of the extremists. And the worst kind of Muslim is one that denounces Islam. Once a Muslim always a Muslim, in the beliefs of the extremists that hate us.

You need to set your sights a little higher,methinks. I don't like conservative thought ,mainly because it always wants to remain in the past =no progress -and because conservatives are always against working people. We have a philosophical disagreement here. I believe progress comes from the free market, which the liberals hamper. Do you believe that progress comes from the government? Why? When has the government ever done anything that has advanced American society? Conservatives are not against the working people. You are going to have to explain that one to me also. I think you get that belief from situations like the current debate over taxes. I know lots of hard-working plumbers, painters, masons, entrepreneurs, restaurateurs, landscape architects & other blue collar workers who own their own companies and are getting caned by the taxes and regulations of the left. Obama wants to allow the tax rates on those that earn over a quarter million to go up. Many of the restaurant owners and small business people that I was just talking about are included in that tax bracket. Now, we are talking about before paying all the bills. That is not a lot of money for a small business. We are talking about hundreds of thousands of small businesses that provide jobs. Conservatives want to keep taxes for these people in the upper tax bracket low so that they can continue to provide jobs for the working people. Raising taxes will have the end result that workers making 40K 50K 60K, etc will lose their jobs. Conservatives also don’t want to extend unemployment because it is already long enough and we need to force those people to be out looking for work. Many people are lazy and will take that government check rather than look for work. Of course there are exemptions, many people will take the unemployment check and be out looking for work from day one. But others will get job offers that are below their standards and turn them down, because they can keep getting that free government cheese. We have got to quit feeding the alligator. When you feed an alligator, it gets used to being given food, and it quits hunting. Same with many people on the government dole. They quit looking for work, because they get used to free government money. If someone really has problems finding work, the unemployment benefits, which are supposed to be temporary should run out, and then that person should go on welfare.



Who killed the Kennedys and MLK? Progressives? I think not. Obviously it was conservative factions. There ya' go.

Wow, that’s low. Anybody that kills somebody else is obviously a complete wacko. James Earl Ray was a straight up racist, he was very supportive of George Wallace (who was a democrat) for president, mostly because of Wallace’s segregationist stance. I would have supported MLK, if I were alive then, because blacks deserve the same as everybody else. Lee Harvey Oswald was a schizoid wacko and a Soviet supporter. JFK was a pretty good president, I think, and he put through some pretty good tax cuts. And was Sirhan Sirhan part of a conservative faction, I think not. He was a Palestinian who disagreed with the government’s support of Israel. And while the majority of the KKK probably votes Republican today, that does not mean the Republicans support the KKK. As much as I hate Obama’s policies, I would never wish him ill health, let alone want to see him killed. If for no other reason than I would hate to see two innocent little girls lose their daddy.

 

Thanks and merry christmas-----------we won't have a meeting of the minds--but that's OK in this country. I will address your answers,but not on xmas day.(side note=I lived outside Jupiter and came down to the keys a few times--loved Key West)

 

If Obama, Pelosi, Frank, Reid, Jackson-Lee, Watson, Boxer and Schumer love liberty then they sure have a strange way of showing it. Liberty to me basically means being left the hell alone so that I can get about my business. Liberals do not allow liberty.

The difference I see is between bad and abso-fucking-lutely terrible. The Republicans are bad because they have expanded government and they are too liberal. But, like I said, if that is bad, then Democrats are much worse. The Democrats take what is bad about the Republicans and expand it.

We need conservatives in politics, but the problem is, like you said, everyone wants to get paid. That is why Democrats want higher taxes, because the politicians take a good chunk of that money before redistributing it. Lower taxes and smaller government are essential. The Republicans won in November thanks to the Tea Party. The Tea Party candidates promised lower taxes and smaller government. If they fail to fulfill those campaign promises then vote them out. And continue to keep voting bad liberal Republicans out until Conservatives that understand the message get into office.

Chris Christie doesn't do everything right, but he has been quite good. One thing that he said that I liked was when he said he was not looking for reelection, so he didn't care who he pissed off, he was going to do what is right. I wish he would run for reelection. Jersey needs him.

 

Yeah, I feel that sentiment. I'm just sitting around waiting for family to get here. I wrote most of that the other day, but didn't get around to finishing it until today.

I love debating, and talking to people with whom I don't have a meeting of the minds, because I suck at debating, and it keeps me thinking.

Merry Christmas to you too.

 

the liberty to plunder and cheat? the liberty to exploit and destroy?

sorry, i don't know what your "business" entails, enlighten me . . .

 

Ron Paul!
I think it's time we try a president that can think...?

 

yay, let's elect an anti-choice, anti-environment, anti-poor drooler just because he'll let you smoke pot

i think you've had enough . . .

 

I don't see anyone from the Republican part who can step up and run.
As far as Palin goes I don't have the words. I do know the very short time she was governor the only thing she really did was try to sell every natural resource Alaska has.

 

Ii agree he isn't the perfect candidate but he's good step in the revolution we need. Protect our liberties, smaller government, and no more world police- lookin alot better than Obama and lolpalin

 

No, I think the most conservative candidate will be elected in a conservative back lash. Just my opinion.

 

No, you break the law, you go to prison. But these regulations and taxes
on companies are getting ridiculous.

Here's an article that talks about the craziness.

http://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/content/view/46286/

I just want people to be able to work, because that is where all the wealth comes from. People in the private sector working in both small businesses and large, is what drives the economy.

 

That would be ideal.

 

Do you care that most of these regulations are in relation to the environment?

Is it okay for business to profit off the destruction of the environment if they are small businesses?

 

Not really.... Not ideal for anyone who isn't a white, christian, wealthy heterosexual who doesn't smoke weed....

 

You know thanks to Rand Paul's election as senator from Kentcuky he's going to push hard for deregulation, to the point of the new state flag of Kentucky is going to be a can of lead paint.

 

you do realize that regulations are laws?

i am really, truly, laughing out loud

really

[at you]

 

No fuckin' way.

 

you do understand what the people in your sig were about, don't you?

 

Doubt it.