Do you think Obama will be re-elected in 2012?

Maybe I missed your point before, sorry. You were asking if deregulation should happen so that businesses have the liberty to plunder and cheat and destroy. Well, there are laws against cheating and destruction, and most of these laws make sense. If an investment adviser cheats his clients he goes to prison. If a industrial chemical company dumps toxic waste in the river, they are fined and the complicit employees go to prison. But the problem with regulations, and the point I was trying to make is that many regulations are there not necessarily to prevent a company from doing something illegal, but to create equality or do the government's bidding. And many that are there to prevent illegal acts are very difficult to comply with, or take a long time and a lot of paperwork. So, should we deregulate so that companies have the liberty to destroy and cheat? No, if you cheat and destroy, you go to prison, like I said. But I think there are too may regulations, that are too difficult to comply with and many of the regulations don't effectively do anything anyways.

Yeah, regulations are laws. And there are too many on the books, too many laws, as well. And too many overzealous prosecutors and overzealous cops.

You hear about the old lady in Brooklyn that got a $100 ticket because she threw a newspaper in a street trash can? Apparently, you are not supposed to throw house trash in the street can. So, you can't walk out of your house on the way to the store and on your way out chuck your paper in the trash. What? That is out of control government.

I am confused. You are laughing because I stated a fact about most of the wealth coming from people working. Do you dispute that fact? How else would wealth be created? Please help me out, with this one.

 

Maybe I missed it somewhere...

Who is this conservative candidate you see doing all these wonderful things for you?

 

oh, he or she is still in college working on their master's thesis, about how smog is healthy or forests make us all sick or something . . .

 

I'm still working on that one. I know what I want, I just haven't found the candidate conservative enough and with enough guts to stand up to the liberals.

 

I hope he gets re elected. People are quick to judge him for not fixing the world in the few years of office, but he said from the get go, long before he was elected, that if he was elected, his plans would need more then one term to get America back on its feet. Its not his fault people are impatient and demanding. If after his second term the world has gone more to shit then it already was (HIGHLY unlikely) then people can demonize him.

 

I never said anything about all that. I support certain conservation efforts. Somewhere else in the forums is a thread talking about Obama putting many forests off limits to development. I don't know much about it, but that is probably a good thing. For the most part. I am kind of torn on this one. Development is a good thing, economically. But at times it's more important to conserve the natural state of things. I grew up in Florida, have you seen those condos lining the beach? Ugh!! Yes, certain areas should definitely be kept off limits to the developers.

Conservatives aren't as evil as you want to believe we are. We just don't like the government telling us what to do, and raising taxes for bullshit programs that we wouldn't spend our money on. When left to our own devices, conservatives do donate to charity, and more of that money gets to the needy than money from the government.

 

no, that is government trying to control unmanageable levels of garbage

probably trying to save taxpayers money to boot

libertarians would just let ya chuck the thing in the river, along with all your other waste products

hooray for freedom!

 

part of government telling you what to do is called protecting the environment, sorry . . .

i have both worked in and received private charity and know that it is not capable of dealing either fairly or completely with society's needs

 

The last conservative that was in, made the mess you keep blaming on Obama...

 

What in hell did Reagan have to do with the current mess with the economy?

 

lol, that's cute... blatantly ignore everything in between and go back to the 80s to find an example.

While you may not be happy with the candidates in the republican party in between reagan and now and whether you like it or not, you have a choice between a republican, or a democrat... regardless of what extra labels you wish to try to toss around.

The democratic party will be running Obama again, seems you don't like him, that leaves you with the republican candidate (unless of course you wish to vote a third party which will only draw more votes away from the republicans so it may as well be called a vote for Obama).

So, out of the prospects for a republican candidate... which is it that you think is conservative enough for you to vote for, AND gather enough votes to knock Obama out of the presidency in 2012... which is what this thread is about after all...

 

I hope not. Obama is owned by corporations, afraid to stand up to republicans, and didn't follow through on his "change". Although I'd still vote (if I was American) for Obama over McCain. I'd like to see Ron Paul in the running.

 

The Grateful Dead, yeah....

doesn't mean I have to like Obama.

I think for myself....how about you?

or are you a fuckin' sheep.

 

i haven't seen evidence of that, can you provide a link?

 

are you refering to this.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6MzDl-wdW8&feature=related"]YouTube - Deadheads For Obama
I seen the dead in penn state before obama.. It was a joke seeing this clown on the big screen while tripping balls. set was not as bad though..

CHANGE ROCKS SETLIST
Bryce Jordan Center
Pennsylvania State University
State College, PA
October 13, 2008
Filmed greeting by Senator Barack Obama
Truckin'>
U.S. Blues
Help On The Way>
Slipknot!>
Franklin's Tower
Playing In The Band>
Dark Star
St. Stephen>
Unbroken Chain>
The Other One>
Throwin' Stones>
Playing Reprise
Encore:
Touch of Grey>
Not Fade Away

 

nah, i'd been wondering about his/her posts for a while now, finally had to ask

not a deadhead myself, but understand the politics of the thing to be somewhat leaning towards communalism

 

I dont even want to know what the grateful deads role in all of it is...
America is a new nation, and continues to grow daily.. what it may be today it may not be tomorrow via Executive order..

 

i think many libertarians are confusing thinking for themselves with thinking about themselves

 

I think it's becoming clearer that Obama will win in 2012.

The Republicans will fail to cut spending anywhere near the $100 billion they promised. It will become clear that will not cut corporate welfare or farm subsidies or the defense budget or the space program or anything that benefits rich people. Boehner will pretend to be simpatico with the Tea Party for a while until his hypocrisy becomes obvious and he is seen to be the problem, not the solution.

Health care premiums will continue to sky-rocket, making it obvious to more people that the Republican non-plan will work only for the rich and Obama was on the right track.

WikiLeaks will spill the beans on Bank of America and Americans will wonder why the Republicans protect them.

The economy will slowly improve and the jobs situation will look much more hopeful by 2012.

Global warming will continue to accelerate, with more floods, droughts, melting ice caps, hurricanes, and tornadoes. This will make people wonder about the Republicans stupid energy policies.

So, altho I do not see the Democrats doing much good, I think the GOP will fail worse.

The Republicans will have a very hard time finding a suitable candidate that satisfies both the Tea Party and the fat cats. They still say Sarah Palin is qualified, and if she's nominated, Obama will certainly win. If Mitt Romney is nominated, Obama will win by a few points.

 

i pretty much hope he'll be reelected. i'm not entirely happy with everything he's done. mostly because of his trying to make concessions to a right wing extreme that never reciprocates and never stops demanding more. i can't imagine a republican being more likely to move the country in any direction i'd wish it to go. or even in any i wouldn't be even more ashaimed of, as they consistently have, for many decades now.