Do you think it's right to complain if you didn't vote?

They aren't for the first time in 60 years, the net traffic has gone to zero and is probably a littlebit in the negative. No one wants to come to the US anymore, it's used up and the "job creators' moved onto new emerging markets. The 2 biggest factors in the lack of "boardercrossing" is the absence of jobs, particularly in the construction industry. due to the high unemployment rate caused by the "job creators" criminal activity which came close to collapsing the economy.
The other important factor is Mexico itself. Over the past 15 years, this country once defined by poverty and beaches has progressed politically and economically in ways rarely acknowledged by americans debating immigration. Even far from the coasts or the manufacturing sector at the border, democracy is better established, incomes have generally risen and poverty has declined. In fact 10's of thousands of Americans retire in Mexico to take advantage of their universal health care system. Yes all Mexicans hare insured. Maybe one day the US can follow in Mexico's foot steps in giving all it's citizens a right to health care.
When I was younger I was somewhat idealistic, but I don't see fair-play and decency as a utopia. All I would like to see is a government and economy that works for the majority of the people, not a select few.

 

The politician is a type of creature known for its propensity to lie, exaggerate, embellish, and use all kinds of hysterical or bombastic attention-getting as they look for trouble, finding it whether it exists or not, diagnose it incorrectly, and applying the wrong remedy.
UK study in behavioral science, which name I can't remember, found that politicians in industrialized countries lie 92% of the time. I am not sure how they came up with this finding, but the study was published for peer review.

 

Thank you; at last we are sharing ideas over the meaning of events for the complaining people as opposed to just the complaining wealth. People can complain and should in a working democracy through two forms of discussion: one is operative which refers to the subject of political standards and ways of finding the needs in each other's already existing ideas, and the other is self-actualized for the values of respecting the people reforming democracy.

 

That's a differnt point to what were talking about.

 

No it's not. I believe it was in response to your reasons politicians get into politics. No matter what reason they say they have, they're lying. They just want money and power.

 

Well they can't say that to refute my point that they've got to do the best they can with the jobs they've got can they?

 

Uh, yeah. They're not trying to do the best they can for anybody but themselves.

 

Don't know if someone has already brought him up, as I haven't read through this whole thread. But for once, with Ron Paul in the game, we have an honest candidate we can finally vote for with actual solutions.

 

Money and power is operative too. It stems from the bourgeois democracy of owning property. Take it; vote for me and I'll set you free from that. Irony takes over. Is God a democratic being? Is man deserving of democracy?

These are petit bourgeois democrats in the Days of Action at least what we see on the livestream. They'll probably be satisfied when others about have a Love-In.:daisy:

 

I live in africa where corrupt politicians are standard issue.Our El Presidente should be in jail for rape but his political party put pressure on the judge to clear him .This is the same man who thinks if you have a shower after having sex you cant get aids :2thumbsup: .

His business partner was sentanced to 15 years for corruption but is currently out for medical reasons (he is supposed to be dying but he is beating up journo's on the golfcourse ) but he was never charged. They established a anti corruption task force but earlier this year two members of that task forces exec commitee were found guilty of corruption and given jail time .

So how can any right thinking person vote in a country were the currently ruling party will always win no matter what the result .
African politics=corruption
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Just shows you we always can complain at what goes on in other countries then when we don't VOTE. However, was I referring to complaining mankind when a person decides to hide from VOTER coercion, or was I referring to the marxist way of absolutely opening up to assertion? Optimally we can and must DREAM. The Days of Action is about dreaming for the perfect world.:2thumbsup:

 

Surprised on how split the poll turned out to be.

 

If you don't have a horse in the race, or simply stated there is no desirable or acceptable candidate, not voting is a form of voting. Until the ballots contain 'None of the candidates' as a choice, that is the only means of making your vote count. You have a right to complain because you were not given an acceptable choice and the choices given may have all been equally undesirable. This problem is only exacerbated by allowing government to remain being exercised from the top down, rather than from the bottom up. Democracy, when exercised by a large society can result in majority rule over the minority, as well as minority rule over the majority, depending on the agenda of those who make up the government at the time in relation to the benefit they gain from where they direct their attention.

 

I am thrilled to see so many people understand its a fraud. It's only function is to support the false belief that we have choice. That we are "free".
Though it is kind of pathetic that I'm happy because people are starting to reconoize something that is so blatantly obvious.

"None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free."
-Goethe

 

Yes- but at the same time it is disheartening to see that so many believe that participation in the sham is prerequisite to the right to speak out. It just underscores the enormity of the task at hand.

 

Agreed, I think that goes back to "schools" which not so much centers of learning as they are behavior conditioning camps in which children are taught to be unquestioningly obedient to authority. Since reason and morality are the death of propaganda, schools busy themselves with systematically stunting students’ ability to reason and think in moral terms. Taught to "enter the work force" not think critically or independently. Accepting obvious absurdities because they were drilled into their heads, year after year, by propaganda until they became true and unquestionable.

 

The people that voted already expressed their opinion by voting--so now it's our turn to bitch.

Just watched 'The War You Don't See'. Don't know if it's anywhere on the net because my comp is shit and I can't --well you know. EVERYONE SHOULD SEE THIS!! Lays it out exactly how the masses are sold war from WW1 on up and who started the succesful PR strategy that does it. I hope someone can find it and put it up. If not--get it and watch it.

 

Brilliant Movie, have you seen Iraq in Fragments or The Ground Truth? A more modern, and scary, account of the first 2 energy wars of the 21st century. Noam Chomsky Manufacturing Consent is still the best when it comes to Control Theory, in my opinion. You should check out Aldous Huxley's 1958 interview with Mike Wallace, can search it, very foretelling. They have been extremely busy further advancing their propaganda model the last 90 some years.

*Hey I tried to comment your page back but couldn't, then tried to PM you to find out how but couldn't *

 

Thanks for the heads up on those other ones,Bunny. I can't get into youtube. I gotta get another computer!!!!

 

Relieving to know others see this. It's really quite evil. Very,very few make it out of school alive. Most emerge as shells of living beings. I went to a different school after sophomore year, and everyday I find myself absolutely stunned when I see my old classmates. People who just 2 years ago were fun-loving, rebellious teenagers are now zombified steryotypes of what people think adults are. It's really fucking creepy, like watching people march out of a sci-fi brainwash camp.

I think the most effective tool, the one thing they manage to convince everyone, even the rebels of, is that there is a "real world" that is different from the fake one kids live in, and that it is abolutely impossible to survive in it by being a real person. And so, just as most Christians only claim Christ because they're afraid to find out after they're already in hell that the preacher was right, millions of potentially bright young minds, afraid of finding out after their life is ruined that their "teachers" were right, will throw themselves away before it might be too late.

Pretty effective tactic, because unless you know what's going on, you never can know until afterwards.