Do you think America is Babylon?

What about babylon having a mother?... Here is what I think, I will just tell you straight forward because I don't feel like leading you with clues : ) I believe along with a handful of theologians believe that the Babylon of Isaiah 13, Jeremiah 50&51, and Rev. 18 is AMERICA... please tell me your thoughts : )

 

As far as Isahiah 13 goes, it would be just a little strange that Isaiah just happened to live in Bablyon, and had a vision that did not fortell the destruction of the Bablyon that was holding Jah's choosen people, but instead he saw the falling of a Babylon 4000 years later. Doubtfull...
As far as Jeremiah, I could throw doubt on that, as in Jeremiah 50:2, it says Bel was put to shame...yea, that was Babylon's Great God...not America, and just the same, it says all of the idols, now, where America most common Religion is Christanity, I would not say that it's Catholic, which is the Christian Faith with the most use of Idols. Fruthermore, Jeremiah writes that a great Force from the north will come...come on, Canada is great, takes care of it's people, but a great force? And Bablyon (Which was in Iraq) was conquered by the Persians (WHICH ARE FROM THE NORTH)...

The only one that I could agree with you, would be Revelations 18, since when Apostol John had this vision, Babylon (the actual world power) had been destoyed already. But if I remeber correctly from my times of Bible Study, the current World Power, Anglo-America, which is Great Britian and America, is refered to, I'm sorry, I can't remember which, either a Great Lion with two Heads or a Big Lizard thing with two heads, but I'm almost certain that it was the lion. But anyways, if I remember correctly, Bablyon the Whore, as which she is refered to in Revelations, is all False Religons.

 

Altough Christiananity is the main religion of America, it is only a handful that actually trully believe with their hearts that Jesus is God--therefore TRUE CHRISTIANS. America is only a Christian nation by label.

In regards to a nation from the North, in Ezekiel 38, God speaks of the ancient tribes of Meshech and Tubal and of their leader Gog. Although these ancient tribal names are not common today, it is important to understand that these tribes settled in the land that we recognize as Russia. So, when the Bible speaks of Gog, understand that God is identifying and talking about Russia. In the Old Testament, God says that Gog will assemble a massive and mighty army that will invade Israel in the latter years. In Ezekiel 38:9, He tells us that this invading army will be so large, that they will be like a "cloud to cover the land." Also, God said Gog would come from the "utter most north." By looking at a world globe, one can see that the only nation to the utter most north of Israel is Russia. Bible scholars knew that Gog was Russia years before Israel even became a nation. One can verify this by picking up a Scofield Bible from 1900. Curiously enough, by drawing a straight line north from Jerusalem on a globe, the line perfectly intersects Moscow. Do not be fooled by Russia and their present passive government. They are only the calm before the storm. Evil war like leaders will be coming back into power. The Bible demands it.

Gog attacks Israel and Gog attacks Babylon (America)

 

here is a good website by a theologian,

http://www.americathebabylon.com/exerpts.shtml

 

alright, your doing the typical christian thing...talking in circles, insisting that you are right, and only your interpertation of the bible counts...and with you views, your Screen name and everything, why are you in the rasta thread? Christanity was part of the colonization, so you are part of Babylon!!!

 

I post what I believe. If you disagree with it, then tell me why. Perhaps we can both learn in our discussion.

 

well, I answered every question that you have thrown at me, including looking up verses as different as Isahiah to Revelations, which you have tied together in some strange way, followed by more strange verses that you believe ties russia into the whole picture...all i can tell you is that, yes, maybe you believe in some way that America is Babylon, but out of a Rastafarian view, not just america is babylon...any place or belief or government that oppresses and enslaves it's people, is Babylon...The U.S. during slave years, china and tibet, russia and the Chechen Rebels, Great Britian and Ireland, some religions, like the christians that teach fire and brim stone...fear is not the answer...terror does not work and you shall not confuse Jah's true believers with what you try to read into a Scripure that has been translated so many times by so many different people that were part of Bablyon...No False Prophets!!!!

 

It may have been translate many times... but there is only one author to start with and that is God JHVH. Last time I checked the Dead Sea scrolls confirmed the Bible we had today... atleast the ones that were not tortered to fit their personal belief system.

 

which bible are you refering too? The bible that teaches us the the christian god is all loving but willing to destroy all live on earth with a flood, but save a family in a wooden box??? i think not, and i thought from your first few posts that you were to intelligent to be fooled with a few STORIES! bt anyway...nd only one author? i could have sworn that the first 4 books in the bible were written by moses, followed by a few others, then luke, john, and the other clownes, followed alot by pauls books....nah...it man's words claiming to be influenced by Jah!

 

Yes it was written by many men... however they were inspired by the father... Answer me this, can mere men predict the future with detail?

 

it seems like this...what has been prophecied that WITHOUT doubt can be considered true? like that jesus would be an offspring of david? then why is it that in matthew 1:12 and luke 3 it shows that actually joseph is the offspring of david, not jesus...so that could mean two things then, huh? either jesus is merelly a man, or not the messiah...

 

OR Marry was the biological offspring and Joseph was legal offspring. Also there are prophecies that are FAR MORE detailed than that Messianic prophecy...

The Eastern Gate prophecy for instance...

In a nutshell, God said well over 2000 years ago in Ezekiel that when this gate found in Jerusalem is sealed that it will remain sealed until the messiah returns and walks through it. It was sealed in 1517 and it still remains sealed today after almost 500 years and after serveral attempts to falsify the prophecy.

Interestingly enough, in Ezekiel it states that the messiah would not walk though the original gate but a porch of the gate which was an addition to the orginal. How could Ezekiel even know about such an addition hundreds of years before it was built? On top that, how would he have know that it would be sealed and when the gate was sealed, it would remained closed until the messiah reveals himself and is exalted. Furthermore, the fulfillment was not brought about by those who believed the prophecy but those who did not believe the Bible.

 

so , you just throw a quick responce to the jesus wasn't the messiah and come back with marie was the offspring??? so, since we're making statements without proof on that one, i am going to go as far as comparing biblical prophets to nostradamus (spelling?)...you make enough prophecies some will come true...and some people will read what they want into them

 

It does not say that Jesus will be the offspring of David, it states He will come from the line of David.

 

The prophecies of the Bible are all true. That's what makes the Bible special. The Bible even tells you why at the time of the end, God allows the Jews to return to Israel, and it also tells you what is going to happen here in America.

 

Is this just what you beleive or do you have actual proof that the prophecies are all true?? I can say "hmmmm there will be a great flood, and sometime in the existence of the world there will be one, doesnt mean I was right.
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Find a prophecy (to this date) that has not been fulfilled... That is what makes the Bible so unique it is a flawless book even all its prophecies remain flawless and can be trusted-past,present and future. The Bible is trully the words of God. The Bible's accruacy demonstrates it.

 

A careful study of the prophecies will reveal that these prophecies are true. Saying there will be a great flood is kind of a general statement. The Bible is far more detailed then that. The Bible states that at the time of the end the Jews will return to the land of Israel. They will take Southern Israel first, and they will take Jerusalem second. (Southern Israel taken 1948, Jerusalem taken 1967.) The Bible states that at this time Jerusalems Old East Gate will have a porch built onto it, and the porch of the Old Gate will be sealed up, and will remain sealed until the Prince to come will open it. ( Porch of the East Gate was sealed up around 500 years ago) The Bible states all attempts to open the Gate will fail. (Two attempts to open the Gate by Moslems to break the prophecy. Once in 1916, and second time in 1967, both attempts failed.) These prophecies are detailed, and every part of this prophecy is true. The prophecies also speak of events that will take place in the Middle East, Russia, Europe, and America. Most Christians hear little about these prophecies, because the church is asleep. The Bible states that God will allow the Jews to return to Israel, yet they will be surrounded by enemies. The Bible states that Russia will finally put together a coalition to push the Jews out of their land. America will not lift a finger nor will anyone else to stop this great army. When the Jews backs are against the wall, and there is no hope of stopping their destruction. God will appear and destroy this Great army. At this time, the Jewish people will see that the one who has saved them and their nation is Jesus Christ. You can read about this in the Old Testament, Ezekiel, chapters 37,38,and 39, also Zec. chapter 12. There is much more to the prophecies, but that is a start if you are intrested.

 

wow.......i'm impressed! everyone knows so much about religion in general. ::slaps self after noticing this is a religion forum::


either way, i gotta agree with FunkyPhreshMama on this one.

 

And yet you probably have no idea on what we just said... never even heard of such prophecies... Don't worry most of the world hasn't