Do you thin Hillary Clinton should be President in 2016?

One way we can test your wild theories is, how about you make a prediction based on your understanding of all these conspiracies and we'll see if it comes true.

 

? I can't read the future, I just pay more attention than most people

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=cfgfH1ro6vs

 

So, all your extreme theories and beliefs give you no insight as to what will happen? That seems useless to me. The value of any hypothesis is its ability to predict the future.

In other words, I think you're nuts.

 

Well, what I'm saying is, there's a lot of facts behind my beliefs. I "Predicted" Obama would be re elected and also that he'd start in with his damn gun control propaganda for Israel. But, there's no guarantees as to what will transpire.

I think what may happen is, (Based on certain UN documents such as "Agenda 21," and the "UN Small Arms Treaty that Obama signed off on;") I think the Government is going to try to get Gun Owners to Register their guns, but most people wont comply. This would give Obama an excuse of Declaring Martial Law (They would claim due to "Civil Unrest" and people failing to comply with the law.) This will be effective for population control; it fits in with "Agenda 21," because that document talks about shrinking our population. If the government goes after our guns, most people will "stand their ground," there are more guns than citizens in this country, in other words, citizens are armed to the teeth!

But we can't be scared of one another cause just if someone has guns, it doesn't make them a killer. Yes, guns are killing machines. (That's what they're mad for,) but, one would hope they never have to kill! But what do you do if someone is trying to kill you? Fight back! and that's why it would vastly decrease our population.

In the meantime, the elites, bankers and, politicians, will be hiding in the underground bunkers that Jesse Ventura blew the lid off of! They're luxurious, HUGE apartments for the filthy rich. To protect them from an "end of the world scenerio.)" But they're also protected by guards with machine guns, who say they'll "Do whatever it takes to protect the people inside," and Jesse asked if he would fire on American Citizens and he oddly avoided the question and just repeated himself, "I'll Do whatever it takes to protect the people inside."

So it might be a way coming but if you read the documents I mentioned
("Agenda 21," and the "UN Small Arms Treaty;") shows one Obama's true intention. When the First president Bush defined the "New World Order," he said "A World of Nations, all working together, toward the dream of the UN's founders."

However, we are the US, and we are Independent! We have a Constitution which by law, cannot be undermined, NOT through our Government and, NOT through the UN! It has actually be ruled Reid v Covert, " the Court ruled”…no agreement with a foreign nation can confer power on the Congress, or on any other branch of Government, which is free from the restraints of the Constitution.” Meaning NO UN treaty is supposed to override the Constitution, it is the Supreme Law of the Land; and it should be remembered that many officials, police, military and, veterans, take their oath VERY seriously when they say they will "Defend and uphold the Constitution from all enemies foreign and Domestic."

So in a way, I hope some Leftist would align with the Right on the Right to Bear Arms; it's really dangerous for our corrupted government to be the only people with guns. They've even been giving out a LITMUS test, asking troops "Would you disarm an American citizen if you were ordered to?" because they want to know who's on their "team."

 

What are 'executive agreements'?

It's a small arms TRADE treaty.


KEY U.S. REDLINES

The Second Amendment to the Constitution must be upheld.
There will be no restrictions on civilian possession or trade of firearms otherwise permitted by law or protected by the U.S. Constitution.
There will be no dilution or diminishing of sovereign control over issues involving the private acquisition, ownership, or possession of firearms, which must remain matters of domestic law.
The U.S. will oppose provisions inconsistent with existing U.S. law or that would unduly interfere with our ability to import, export, or transfer arms in support of our national security and foreign policy interests.
The international arms trade is a legitimate commercial activity, and otherwise lawful commercial trade in arms must not be unduly hindered.
There will be no requirement for reporting on or marking and tracing of ammunition or explosives.
There will be no lowering of current international standards.
Existing nonproliferation and export control regimes must not be undermined.
The ATT negotiations must have consensus decision making to allow us to protect U.S. equities.
There will be no mandate for an international body to enforce an ATT.


"Let me remind you that this is not an arms control treaty, not a disarmament treaty -- it is a trade treaty regulating a legitimate activity."

http://www.state.gov/t/isn/rls/rm/2013/206668.htm
http://www.state.gov/t/isn/armstradetreaty/

 

I'm here again, to say it again:

They would never do that. If you have a country in open civil war, you have no control or safety, you have no economy, you haven't got shit. You can't even forclose on people.

They don't need to do that, at all. They brutalize easy targets, from black kids with guns to pacifist pot growers, but that's because everyone will side with the cops for that. The militarized police force is only meant for fighting unarmed people. If you actually did shoot at them, well yes you'd be mowed the fuck down, but there would be no civil war, they'd mention that you're sort of a nutjob, and big deal, it'd be another waco.... meh. You, personally, would rationalize it, and say that they pointed guns at cops, and you have to expect to die if you do that.

People are already under control. Doublethink and apathy and smartphones, and the government watching everything on the internet, and where people physically are with drones (in the US) and all that sort of thing. The war on drugs is still a big part of it, not because they fear the pot really opening any minds or anything, but because it's good that everybody smokes it but still, many of the smokers sympathize with the government about it, in a self-victimizing way. It teaches doublethink and self loathing.

You don't understand the precision and subtlety of this situation, or you'd see that it's already happened. Years ago, but of course, it is progressing still. It really happened with the patriot act.

 

Well, okay that still doesn't explain the LITMUS test, the government calling troops in for "civil unrest," in the wake of Katrina and Sandy, and those troops disarmed the citizenry. They're still leading toward disarmament and a NWO that undermines our national sovereignty.

 

Remember cops openly murdering people during katrina? That makes martial law sound safer than normal law.

And remember people shooting an national guard helicopters for no reason?

As for civil unrest, yeah, fucking looting and such.... not saying taking guns is the best option or anything, but yeah, there actually WAS a reason to bring them in to deal with civil unrest.

 

You really believe everything exactly as the government tells it to you, don't you?

Arms control treaty/disarmament treaty... same fucking thing once you peel away the newspeak and doublespeak.

It's all color of fucking law. Of course they're not going to come out and say it's about disarmament.

 

the thing you're failing to realize, is that no government can stand, without the consent of the governed. (Paraphrasing from the Declaration of Independence.)

You're right, the Banks have been in Control a long time; way before the patriot act, at least back when the Federal Reserve was built, a hundred years ago! But now more than ever in our history, we have vast amounts of people opposing the system. It's good too that a lot are Libertarian and Republican (Cause they're most likely armed for their own protection,) I believe the government may try to say "Oh, he was a nut job," but, being that so many public officials (police etc.) believe in our constitution, but NOT our government, I think the truth would come to light and cause REAL civil unrest, riots and/or, martial law.

And get over that Mr. Grey thing. I'd feel the same about a white guy; if someone breaks into your house trying to kill you, shoot back! If someone points a gun at you and you think they might shoot you- shoot them first! That's self defense.

 

I found this quite funny:

'origins'

http://www.snopes.com/politics/conspiracy/citizens.asp

There doesn't seem to be any evidence it is true or false.

 

Don'cha just hate Snopes...

 

Military leaders are coming out and saying it. I know you don't "trust russian news outlets"

 

I don't. Why do you?

Which 'military leaders'?

It's not that I don't trust them - they just seem to thrive off this type of thing. I don't think it is real journalism. I do learn a few things from 'russian news outlets' - for instance, although the chap who does the Keiser report is a massive prat he does come out with some gems sometimes.

I might not agree with StpLSD25 but atleast he has the balls to lay out what he believes in detail (see below).
I can understand his concerns because he articulates them quite clearly.
I do understand that a lot of Americans think it is perfectly ok for the U.S to do what ever it pleases around the world - but they don't seem to like it when it appears they are being dictated to.
They see the U.S as 'Independent' - so anything that hasn't originated from the U.S they see as a threat.
The U.S government seems to also think the treaty has the potential to take all the guns away.
So, lets see what the outcome actually is.

If you think they are not going to come out and say it's about disarmament - why do you think they would document another agenda (21) in great detail for all the world to see?
So, you believe wholeheartedly everything that you presume is within Agenda 21 (that neither of you actually quote from, I hasten to add), but you don't believe that this isn't about disarming U.S citizens?
What's it like holding that duality?

 

Which military leaders? Why do you trust your source(s)? Why do you believe such crap?

 

It's not near crap when opposed to Obama's rhetoric, or any other politician. It actually makes sense, because they don't care about individuals, they care about what they think is the "greater good;" and that means controlling the worlds resources and population. That is the reason for all these wars, medications that cause other deceases and, the intention of the UN at large.

Obama is certainly trying to force gun control on us, and many news outlets and celeberties are helping push it. But the reason we have the Right to bear Arms is not just to protect ourselves from theives, hunting or, target practice; but for protection from overbearing government systems.


Look up the Bilderburg group, the Military-Industrial Complex or, the New World Order. There is real information out there. you may be really surprised what you learn! I believe it because it's obvious, it makes more sense than anything else. There are clues everywhere one looks if one's perceptive! The government is slowly taking our Constitution in an effort to undermine our independence and hand our country over entirely to the UN. (As the TX Federal judge said during the election..) It's not crazy because a lot of people share these views, therefore, I believe there's def something behind it.

 

A bit of a dodge there, StpLSD25

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kkT03qMEgMQ"]Obama's U.N. Takeover Plot Exposed by Texas Judge! - YouTube


Oil Pipelines. Civil unrest. UN troops. Red Dawn.

 

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http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/showpost.php?p=7594924&postcount=1

Where were you? :computer:


Americans are, erm, 'unique', though - I'll give'em that.

 

Didn't you make that thread in response to a 'Merica obsession accusation?