Do you own a gun?

We can defend ourselves without freaking out and buying guns. I wouldn't live in a place were disturbed people are able to buy a gun in a store.

 

nope.

 

Nope.

 

Yes I have a 223 ranch rifle. I live on a ranch, you really need one. I have only ever killed one thing in my life and it was a rattlesnake that my dog went after. We have horrible coyotes here that will take the calves or pigs, I just shoot in the air and then run. We all try to live together peacefully, I don't bother them and they don't bother me, all is good!

 

then the U.S. is the country for you. We don't allow disturbed people to buy guns. you have to pass a background check to buy a gun in a store.

 

Cool. The .223 is a fine round. You have to be a pretty good shot to kill a rattlesnake with one though. I admire your abilities as a marksman. Personally I use a 20 gauge shotgun for snakes. I've only had to shoot one in my life though.

On a ranch, you need a gun. I understand that very well. I'm on a farm in KY myself. We have the coyote problem here as well, possibly not as bad as what you have in the west but enough to be a major concern as far as raising live stock. A shot into the air usually does run them off, or at least scatter them out of the pack. Most farmers shoot them on sight. I was never one of them, but if they were attacking my stock I would shoot to kill.

 

disturbed people buy guns too...no doubts about that one. America has the highest death rate revolving around guns.

 

Most gun owners aren't disturbed.

 

Indeed, and no one said that. But it's not an excuse to sell guns.

I've heard some other things in the news.

There's nothing wrong with this, obviously. If I was in your situation I probably would have a rifle as well!

 

You don't need an excuse to sell guns, it's a fundemental right to keep power in the hands of people.

 

Thank you! I was about to say that, but you took the words right out of my mouth (or, in this case, out of my hands). There are many disturbed people who are definitely able to buy guns in the United States, and anyone who thinks differently hasn't seen the news.

People would probably hate me as a president because I would do everything I possibly could to ban, or at least limit, gun use. I guess you all can celebrate the fact I am not running for president :tongue:. I am very anti-gun. I support people's rights, but not the right to kill. I will be awaiting the, "but you can kill with knives, too!" comments .

 

You're right about that, that's the way it is in the states. But if even a relative small part of the people who buy a gun is disturbed and also use it like that you may want to consider some change in the policy. :tongue:
If I would be american I would rather be able to buy weed from the store then guns. They both may make you paranoid, haha

 

Unfortunately, as it is, America is fucked up. You have a right to legally buy, own a gun, yet can't legally buy pot.

America is a nation of laws. Badly written and randomly enforced.

Frank Zappa​

 

And with some effort we can remove the pot control laws. Gun control; pot control; (_insert infringed rights and freedoms here_) control; It's all the state against the people.

In a free nation the people have a right to be free.

 

And what about my situation? Did you not see the part where I was fending off coyotes as well?

So one person with a .223 is ok, ( which is a military assault rilfe cartridge, btw, it's what an M-16 fires) but another individual with a 20 gauge isn't? You're not making much sense there, Asmodean.

Try reading the bill of rights again. The right to keep and bear is somthing patriotic Americans take very seriously.

 

Sorry Woodsmen, I didn't see that indeed... I'm just finding it silly people are standing on a right which obviously causes more pain and trouble then anything. If the only reason to have a gun is to shoot a burglar, stand up against the government with it :tongue:, or just because you have the right I think you shouldn't get one. Sometimes people also need to be protected from themselves. I'm not saying it should be completely illegal for people, but it should not be so easy for potential murders to get them.

 

I'm sorry I snapped at you in my last post. I wasn't in a very good mood yesterday, my dad is critically ill in the hospital, he's probably dying, and I've been under a lot of pressure with everything thats going on. I've been snippy with a lot of people lately and for that I apologize.

At the time it seemed like you were supporting Lennonlover and condemning me when we were both doing the same thing, protecting livestock from coyotes.

As for the right to bear arms, it was originally written for the common people to be able to rise up in defense of the nation in the event of a national disaster, i.e. foriegn invasion, etc. Hence the 1st clause of the 2nd amendment, "A well regulated militia being neccesary for a free state". Militia being bands pf common citizens who could be called up by the government in defense of the nation should the need arise.

The 2nd clause, "the right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed" was to insure that the militia was armed and ready in case of such an event by insuring that the people could own firearms uninhibited.

There are dangers in the world, and people have as much right to defend themselves as they do to take up arms in defense of the nation. That was an undebated standard in out nation until very recently. Most of the gun control we have today was originally inacted during prohibition in order to control organized crime.

As for guns causing pain, I guess that may be an issue in places like the inner cities with their perpetual gangland wars, But like a popular bumper sticker says, "guns cause crime like flies cause garbage". Its not the guns. its the criminals you use them in their criminal activities. All the more reason to have a gun for personal defense. Criminals don't shoot as often when they know their victims will shoot back.

Elsewhere they don't cause pain, they prevent it by preventing burglaries, loss of livestock, and an array of other situations where personal defense and defense of property are called for.

There are a lot of us that stand by the 2nd amendment, and that not going to change anytime soon. You can change the Constitution and take it out, but when you erode the bill of rights, you're eroding the founding principles of the nation.

When a nation can't stand on it's principles, it can't stand at all.

 

Yes.

But it's a paintball gun lol.

 

Yep.. a pellet gun and an old winchester lever action rifle

 

Most nations actually do in some way.

And about the right to have guns to defend the nation, I think if there's ever to come a militia brought together it will result in limitations of freedom and rights. It's a right you have indeed, but I still think most people who don't have direct use for a weapon and do own a gun don't have it solely for honourable reasons. They just like to have a gun and when they see an opportunity to use it kind of righteous they will eagerly do so. I'm not against that right, it's not in my country anyway and you'll see where it goes, but it should be with more limitations/regulations for sure, considering the madmen who already abused that right.