Do you own a gun?

Cheers to Vermont!

 

It's bad if you like to rob people; good if you don't like being robbed.

 

Good point, didn't look at it that way

 

That's awesome. No one talks about that on the news though.

 

It was a crime that Bernie Sanders didn’t get the democratic nomination back in 2016

I’d call that a high crime

 

An armed family is a happy family.

 

I get it. People who haven't been turned on to firearms (typically as a child) are afraid of the unknown. Just like with pot.
They both have their place as tools and must be used responsibly in order to benefit society.

 

You assumed I dont have a firearm. therefore failed..

 

That's right! We took it the wrong way!

It felt like he was saying he thought he was less prone to break in for not having a gun, but no.

Different point entirely, and a good one at that.

To wit:

 

As a firearms instructor and someone who has worked with and trained LEOs for over 30 years, I can state with some degree of confidence that having signs like those posted on your property and structures can be disastrous for you later in the courtroom, if you ever have to use deadly force against an intruder. Many an aggressive prosecutor has successfully argued that that kind of person who displays signs like that really WANTED to kill someone and was was trying to bait a gullible, but generally "harmless" housebreaker in (yes, I know. Harmless housebreaker is an oxymoron but you'd be amazed at what juries can be convinced of), just so they could be shot. It doesn't always happen, but the odds against you jump dramatically if you use displays like these that are considered "provocative". Just FYI.

 

I'm not arguing that it happens. You would know more about this than I, but that just seems ridiculous. How is advertising that you own a firearm baiting someone to break in? It would seem to me a non violent deterrent, though I agree with Orison's statement that it does invite a different type of trouble--namely, advertising to would be thieves what it is you have inside to steal.

 

It does seem ridiculous, doesn't it? However, what prosecutors do is use that sort of display as evidence of an overall gestalt indicating that the homeowner is obsessed with guns and violence, and that he is living for the chance to shoot someone. I've seen some incredibly twisted narratives spun out in the courtroom and it's frightening how often the jury swallows it, hook, line and sinker.

 

That's insane. It's like saying if an officer warns someone to freeze or the officer will shoot, he is a blood thirsty maniac.

 

Police and private citizens come from two different universes, once they enter the courtroom. Officers, by their very job description, are expected to run the risk of needing to use lethal force in the performance of their duties. Private citizens, OTOH, are implicitly expected to retreat in the face of aggression (regardless of the Castle Laws in your state.) Notice that I said "implicitly". In the courtroom, regardless of instructions to the contrary, jurors are frequently more likely to base their decisions on their own feels and (political/social) beliefs, rather than the strict interpretation of the law (as presented to them by the presiding judge.)

When I teach "Judicious Use of Lethal Force", I warn my students that, should the day come that they need to use lethal force in the defense of self, family, or friends, they need to be mentally, emotionally,and FINANCIALLY prepared to end up in the courtroom as many as THREE times.

First, the Grand Jury hearing, to determine if a charge of capital murder (or whatever the local prosecutor feels is appropriate) should move forward. If "no bill" is returned, you just dodged a murder trial. If not, then it's time to start getting your money's worth out of your defense attorney.

Second is the actual trial, where you may or may not be convicted of (at the very least) wrongful death. (Crimes and their penalties will vary from state to state.)

Third, even you manage to dodge the first two, there will be the civil suit. It'll be brought by the decedents parents/siblings/girlfriend, who will insist that their no-good, drug-using son/brother/fucktoy was just getting his life turned around when it was taken by a blood-thirsty gun nut (never mind that he was drunk and charging you with a tire iron at the time.)

Current estimates are that the average legal cost to someone who's forced to use lethal force in self-defense run right around (conservatively) $30,000. Make sure that you have the right kind of insurance.

 

He CLEARLY said it wasn't his logic.

 

It's like having a sign that says danger beware of dog, you're already admitting at that point that you have a dangerous dog. Best to not have a sign and let your dog attack and then play dumb in court that he must have been spooked or something.

 

Who's fighting?

 

i read that too, so it must have been deleted because i was specifically looking for a fighting gif, when i found a mg42 gif then somehow i went to youtube and started watching documentaries unil i came back to read that ^^ and realise oh yeah, there was a post about fighting.

 

Oh yeah, wow...they deleted that guy's comments. Guess they were irrelevant, but not really anything delete-worthy. I would suck as a mod.