Do you feel that Gods expectations are unrealistic?

I feel really honored that I do understand what you are describing Ukr, about the "fear and trembling we experience in the midst of something else great and powerful". I would just also add that I think I've felt more a type of heart-thumping anticipation than true fear...but fear was there also.

I mean, even tho there would have been no "mundane sense of horror fear" (as you put it), I have felt what I consider a natural fear when one is aware of being confronted with the power of God, which is greater and more powerful than can be adequately described with words (and totally UNEXPLAINED by science).

 

I would like to point out that the OP can not be a true believer in the christian religion.

God does not have "expectations", he already knows. And furthermore, his "expectations" can NOT be unrealistic, he CREATED reality.

God is infallible, and to question a ruling made by him is essentially to denounce him.

Yeah.

 

I have never said that I was inspired of God or that the Holy Spirit speaks through me.

Why should it, God has already provided for us all we need in his word the Bible.


So let me now ask you a couple of questions.

Do you believe that Jesus is the only begotten Son of God and not just a son of God?

Do you believe that Jesus gave his live as a ransom for mankind?

 

Where's the love?

First, the Bible does all those things except that nonsense about upholding and illuminating the holy and innocent nature of god's children.

Jesus said whoever does the will of my Father who is in heaven, the same is my brother, which is pretty hard to do when you disregard the very Book that describes what that will is.

As for hating what is bad, that does not divide a person. In fact I would say that one who does not hate what is bad does not have a clue what love means.

And "if the letter says an eye for an eye, the letter is not of christ", you really got that wrong. Nothing is more of the Christ than eye for an eye.

That Scripture you keep quoting "We must be as wise as serpents yet innocent as doves" it would good for you to actually look up what it is saying, so you can use it in context.

 

For one. you are the salt of the earth, but if the salt has lost it's taste, how shall it's saltiness be restored. It is no longer good for anything.

Because scribe, you shut out the kingdom of heaven against men, you neither enter yourself nor allow those who would enter to go in.

If you know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will the heavenly father give the holy spirit to those who ask him.

If you love me, you will keep my commandments, and I will pray the father and he will give you another counselor to be with you forever, even the spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive because it neither sees him or knows him.

If a man loves me, he will keep my word and my father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him.

I don't believe anything, I am a disciple of christ and I allow the holy spirit to teach me. It is called communion.

 

In the heart that loves waterbrother.

Your belief that the bible is the living word of god does nothing for your brother. That belief is entirely self serving.

When did I disregard the book?

Let the tree be good and the fruit good, or let it be bad, and the fruit bad

Jesus was saying you have heard an eye for an eye, but the true response is forgiveness. No, christ has no part in an eye for an eye.

I used it precisely in the appropriate living context, as I was shown by the holy spirit.

 

Now, I'm serious. Then Gods can have expectations which they already know. Which Gods? the ones in the empirically observed myths starting from the Garden of Eden, ending on the the Birth of the Anti-christ; truly there are more enlightening myths for Morals in the pagan thoughts of even eastern Russia.

 

I think God's expectations are high, but only because the potential we have is high. We are capable of doing much more than we think. That said, our performance has nothing with how much he loves us. It is unconditional.

 

Jesus brought us the New Covenant: Christ promised to bring us into the kingdom of God and give us life in all its fullness.

Christ TAUGHT us the new commandment and the summary of law: You shall love God with all your soul, heart and mind. AND, you shall love your neighbour as YOURSELF.

The New commandment: WE LOVE ONE ANOTHER AS CHRIST LOVED US.

"All people are worthy of respect and honor, because ALL are created in the image of God, and all can respond to the LOVE of God." -BCP

Peace be with you!

 

Our potential really is amazingly high, almost incomprehensibly high.

Through the process of Theosis, our souls can eflect the unutterable glory that is the one Godhead.

 

First you asked if the Holy Spirit speaks through me, none of this says anything about the Holy Spirit speaking through me or anyone else.

A disciple of which Christ?
And what does your "holy spirit" teach you about Jesus being the only begotten Son of God and Jesus' giving his live as a ransom?

 

Really? I guess that explains why you aren't showing it?

You're funny. It means that the Word of God is readily available to all and not just to you because you have a spirit creature to whisper in your ear.

Always, as I have pointed out many times already.

You're still not getting it. You have no idea what love is and so you are disregarding God's command to love what is good and hate what is bad.

You're still not getting it, Jesus is the fulfillment of eye for eye, tooth for tooth.

Now I understand why you got it wrong.

 

Are you the good thief or the bad thief? I am the good thief, but 'Bluska Wa Wice' does not wish to join me.:sunny:

 

You asked why should the holy spirit speak through you. That was the answer.

You neither ask for the spirit nor allow anyone else to have it for the sake of your letters. You think the holy spirit is a book.
The holy spirit teaches me that god decides who is on the right and who is on the left. As for jesus sacrificing himself or god sacrificing him, the holy spirit teaches me that he desires mercy not sacrifice.

Further I told you that jesus did not teach that he was gods only begotten son. John did. You can see that in the text it is the narrator Who makes that claim, not jesus.
Further jesus is recorded saying he who believes in me believes not in me but him who sent me.
If you ask for the baptism of the holy spirit you could easily see this distinction. I am curious about what organization or circumstance so thoroughly hoodwinked you into believing that the bible is arbiter of the relationship between god and his children. You make it the arbiter of our relationship.

Waterbrother, god has a direct relationship with his children. Not a proxy relationship through the bible. That proxy represents an organizations beliefs
Not the instructions of christ. I know you think I insult your beliefs, but your line insults my relationship with the holy spirit.

 

It is not what goes into a man that defiles him, but what comes out. The measure you give is the measure you receive. If you do not perceive love, it is because you have judged against it.

I don't think god leaves things unattended and I am not keeping any secrets.
There are no spirit creatures, there is the common spirit of god.

How is it that you perceive me as ignoring the bible, I quote from the bible.
You are a very confused man.

The measure you give is the measure you receive. If you give hate, you do not receive love.

Gods love is beyond what can be taught, but we can remove the barriers we have set up against the perception of it.

Quite specifically no. Jesus is the antithesis of an eye for an eye.

The holy spirit can improve your understanding If you asked.

 

Oh I see, I'm lousy and angry; puts me on the right side of Jesus's cross. And that is only for now, eh? I must understand that people vote for justice with their money, and not because of their money. But Jesus of Nazareth was first Son of Man for the fair value of his honesty.

 

Okay, done of that was a answer to that question either.

Now, you are just lying, is that what you call showing love?

Why should it? It already says that in the Bible. Are you too lazy to read it for yourself?

So once again your "holy spirit" disagrees with what Jesus himself said.

(John 3:9-21) 9 In answer Nic·o·de′mus said to him: “How can these things come about?” 10 In answer Jesus said to him: “Are you a teacher of Israel and yet do not know these things? 11 Most truly I say to you, What we know we speak and what we have seen we bear witness of, but YOU people do not receive the witness we give. 12 If I have told YOU earthly things and yet YOU do not believe, how will YOU believe if I tell YOU heavenly things? 13 Moreover, no man has ascended into heaven but he that descended from heaven, the Son of man. 14 And just as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, so the Son of man must be lifted up, 15 that everyone believing in him may have everlasting life. 16 “For God loved the world so much that he gave his only-begotten Son, in order that everyone exercising faith in him might not be destroyed but have everlasting life. 17 For God sent forth his Son into the world, not for him to judge the world, but for the world to be saved through him. 18 He that exercises faith in him is not to be judged. He that does not exercise faith has been judged already, because he has not exercised faith in the name of the only-begotten Son of God. 19 Now this is the basis for judgment, that the light has come into the world but men have loved the darkness rather than the light, for their works were wicked. 20 For he that practices vile things hates the light and does not come to the light, in order that his works may not be reproved. 21 But he that does what is true comes to the light, in order that his works may be made manifest as having been worked in harmony with God.”

I can only believe that your "holy spirit" didn't want you to know that Jesus himself said it. Interesting.

Very good, what is your point?

Distinction, what distinction?

Arbiter?

God is the arbiter of our relationship, why would you think I thought any different?

Dope, at this point in time God does not have a direct relationship with his earthly children, those who approach God at this time must go through Jesus Christ.
(John 14:6-7) 6 Jesus said to him: “I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me. 7 If YOU men had known me, YOU would have known my Father also; from this moment on YOU know him and have seen him.”

Insult away, you won't be the first and probably won't the last.

As for insulting your relationship, I'm not trying to, I just believe that you're not in a relationship with the Holy Spirit but are in a relationship with a spirit creature that is misleading you.

 

Waterbrother, read the Gospel of John chapter 8.

And...a 'spirit' creature? LOL. THE HOLY SPIRIT IS GOD IS JESUS IS THE HOLY SPIRIT IS GOD IS JESUS is all around us, in us, in nature, in prayer and the essence of all things made by GOD IS JESUS IS THE HOLY SPIRIT IS GOD.

 

What do you think I am lying about?

It is one thing to read something and quite another to understand it. That understanding transcends questions of relative worth. You need not be concerned about who enters in, that is for the creator to decide.

The bolded words in this passage are the effective words. The son that is to be lifted up is the son of man, not the son of god. Only begotten means innocent, not the fleshy person. The only son god has is innocent, the one he created, not the one you have judged against. It is your brother who you must believe on.

You could consider other scenarios, if you cared to. As I told you, it was john who put the spin on.

That he was not meant to be an object of worship.

the ones that are demonstrated.

Because on the basis of your beliefs about the bible and the way you interpret the text, causes you to judge me without the holy spirit.

You are mistaken about not being direct communion. The holy spirit speaks as loudly as we are willing to listen. Yes jesus is the way, through his example and with the assistance of the holy spirit.
This is what jesus says about our relationship, jesus promises are true.

If you know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will the heavenly father give the holy spirit to those who ask him.

If you love me, you will keep my commandments, and I will pray the father and he will give you another counselor to be with you forever, even the spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive because it neither sees him or knows him.

If a man loves me, he will keep my word and my father will love him, and we will come to him and make our home with him.

The fact is I challenge your beliefs, I do not insult you. You are ever as god created you.

That you believe such a thing does not make it fact. That you believe there is such a thing as spirit creatures is down right medieval. I have produced for you direct confirmation on your own terms of what I say.
I asked for the holy spirit to teach me and so it has been. If I need a thought
or direction or just a moment of quiet the spirit is in attendance.

 

This is the truth of what you are saying waterbrother.

You don't believe that god has a personal relationship with his children, you don't enter in, for that belief. Nor do you allow me to enter for the sake of that belief.

You neither ask for the spirit nor allow anyone else to have it for the sake of your letters. You think the holy spirit is a book. And you think your interpretation is the only way it may be interpreted. You do not allow the spirit to interpret for you because you haven't asked.