Do you feel that Gods expectations are unrealistic?

Warning: May be offensive to Christians...

Man wrote the bible. There are 6 passages in the bible about homosexuality. Why do we focus so much on it? People truly believe God wrote the bible...

People were bigger flaming homosexuals back then, then they are now. That's saying something...

 

I didn't start the thread. Just for being gay.

 

God also has no acceptance of certain ways we act, yet we do nonetheless. And as far as sex in general, in regard to the Bible, it was intended for procreation, yet people do it for pleasure...surely God meant for the latter to be the case. The body is our temple of course..The Bible was not only written via proxies, but survived many translations...it's a shame things are so lost within them. Would Jesus care if people were loving ? Nah, he'd care more about war, hate, greed etc.

Not only do people have sex for pleasure, it is a means of degrading women and using it as a commodity. Which I'm sure is a far greater sin than truly loving another being with ones heart. Kindness goes a lot further than hatred or disrespect in any case...this also includes homophobia and using the Bible to justify it...(Similar to fundamentalist Racists).

 

True...

Here's another perspective, also. Since we are referring to the big book, many cite Leviticus when talking about homosexuality. Leviticus also says these things:

-"Anything that has fins and scales, and lives in the water, whether in sea or river, you may eat. But anything in sea or river that does not have fins and scales, of all the small water-creatures and all the living things found there, you will regard as destestable." Leviticus 11:9-10. Do you eat shrimp or lobster?

-You will find a bit on menstruation in Lev. 15:19-30. Do we still practice these means of 'purification' ...nah, women bleed because they're furtile - a blessing from God, not a sin...obviously the fear of menstruation came from man.

-"You will not round off your hair at the edges or trim the edges of your beard." Lev. 19:27. Anyone shave or cut your hair? lol

-"If you have resident aliens in your country, you will not molest them. You will treat resident aliens as thought they were native-born and love them as yourself..." Lev. 19:33-34. Your country have immigration laws which serve to punish and deport people?

-"YOU WILL KEEP MY LAWS. You will not mate your cattle with those of another kind; you will not sow two kinds of grain in your field; you will not wear a garment made from two kinds of fabric." Lev. 19:19. Aww man, what about polyester blend?

-"You will not keep back the labourer's wage until next morning." Lev. 19:13 So what's with my paycheck and taking all this money out for retirement pension funds?

Just something for you to think about...There's a lot more if you read the whole book of Leviticus, things about sacrifice, slaves, the Sabbath, animals, adultery and on and on...

Remember, a lot of these quotes come out of the old Testament and many orthodox Jews follow these rituals...many Christians don't, however...why? Oh yeah, because Jesus came to set Christians on his path. Righteous! The Bible says a lot of things...if taken literally life would be a lot different, people would be nicer, there wouldn't be war and everyone would believe in God...Why pick out what you believe to be wrong out of a whole list of 'wrongdoings', yet say others are okay to do? (ie. shaving , eating crab, hanging with a woman while she has her period, saying no to slavery etc.)

 

I'm pretty sure that God has put here to learn to love, learn to have compassion, to understand right from wrong as a standpoint from general humanity. God....made us the way we are, I feel that if God was so against homosexuality, it wouldn't exist. I am not against homosexuality, to me it isn't a crime against humanity. It is a form of love, plain and simple. The God that I have come to understand in the past 42 years i'm sure would want it that way.

Some folks would tell you that love is supposed to only be between a man and a woman....so that they may go forward and create more life. While there is some weight to that, tell me why is it then that some men....and women aren't able to do that? They are heterosexual, but cannot pro-create.

There are ALOT of questions that need answers....you will find those answers within
yourself as time goes by. I personally accept people for who they are, and try to be the best person I can be. I could go on and on, but I think you get my point. I hope you find the answer you seek. Peace.

 

I agree here, but you also have to look at the prpose of the pleasure. If God had made sex unpleasureable, would its purpose of procreation really be effective?

When we use sex solely for pleasure (or outside of marriage), we pervert God's order and plan. We come to see our spouse or partner as a thing, an object of desire. We put ourselves above other things which, if you accept the premise of the sovergnty of God is false.

 

Yes.

God hates fags.

And when they die, he will lash out in furious anger at the fags he created, who have the audacity to be.... created by him....

 

in regard to the Bible, it was intended for procreation? Perhaps you would be so good as to cite the scripture that indicates this?

 

If you want to know what god's will is, look to yourself and see what your will is for your children.

 

Cheers.

 

God doesn't ask too much. He doesn't ask too much at all if your naturally good natured.

I like to think of Jesus as the first documented Caucasian hippie. We're lucky were not dealing with the Romans people, the beatings that took place at the Democratic convention of Chicago in 1968 have nothing on being beaten and THEN crucified.

Christians are nice by their rhetoric, but are judgmental and often contradict these teachings in everyday life. Christian teachings will never be carried out in full until there is no one to disagree with, and by the latest numbers the 'nay-sayers' aren't going anywhere soon.

My real problem with it is the fact that you have to live your life by a book. I cant get into that.

 

God commands his children to be fruitful and multiply. Contracepting goes against this command.

God says children are a blessing. Contracepting seeks, as its purpose, to stop receiving blessings.

 

I hear what you're saying. Seeking to decipher the Bible as literal interpretation, without applying certain aspects to our times seems void of true meaning. For example, it does not take into account technology with medicine. Some scripture suggests to see a priest during certain sickness, but we go to the doc. or take pills. Ideally, those who follow the bible word for word should have no problem with marijuana: we're meant to use God's plants, are we not? Seems a lot better to use a God-given plant than synthentic tylonel for pain does it not? Logistics are a bit important.

One could point out the flaws of taking the Bible word for word as a way to live until the cows come home. Yet those who do this are confronted with various types of hipocracy. Did not Jesus eat with those 'unclean' and Gentiles? Why then do we limit our generosities and close our minds? Jesus WAS a hippie, he shared the love, not held it all to himself, then what would be the point of sharing God's will if it is not for everyone? "Do not hide your light under a bushel", not only speaks of sharing the words and moral fibers of God, but to also refrain from keeping it in shadows. Kinda zen-like, no?

Makes no sense to take the words of Christ as literal, rather than figurative metaphor...Jesus spoke in parables lol. He was a poet, so poetry we can see it as. Poetic interpretation does not suggest to say people actually try to fit camels through the eyes of needles...In a metafictional sense, he was saying open your mind, there are different ways of looking at things and he was showing it through example via his words.

One can nitpick at scripture and say 'this is wrong and this is right'...but lacking moral structure and the ability to not cast stones turns teaching only back to ourselves. We have no foundation if we lack bones. In my opinion, open your mind, enjoy the beauty of poetry in scripture, face value is lost here, the same it could be in literature. Sure the story still sounds great without thematics in its context, but what then do we get out of it?

No big deal to me, point fingers: this stifles no one but ourselves. A larger finger will be pointing back at ourselves, of our own hands. Better to use the Bible as a moral guide and a gateway to our own, deep prayer.

 

God has no expectations of you, if he did he would come down here and say it, accept the fact we are alone. But instead of sinking into despair embrace the loneliness as true freedom ad have the courage to make your own rules instead of following someones elses especially from an organized religion that wants nothing more then to control your mind.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q-PX2Z4r-e4"]YouTube - Voltaire - God thinks (Lyrics)

 

God thinks in Vladivostok. My view is rather that God's expectations may be too Realistic for realistic Man. And realism is all about the interchange of races and religions.:sultan:

 

I really wish I could rep you for that, but it won't let me.

 

I think you're beginning to see attacks on your Church, even when none were intended.

The person I was talking to seemed to be saying that the only purpose for sex was procreation. Now I don't see that to be the case and was asking if he knew of a scripture that said that. If the only purpose for sex was procreation, one might ask then why is there so much pleasure from it? Could sex also have other purposes, such as strengthening the bond between husband and wife?

Also if "to be fruitful and multiply" is the only reason for sex, then would you counsel a married couple beyond the age of childbearing that if they had sex they would be sinning and should refrain from doing so? What if because of let's say life threatening cancer, an operation caused a person to no longer be fertile, should that one refrain from having sex with their mate because they can no longer "be fruitful and multiply"? Should the mate that could still have children divorce their mate and remarry so they could continue to obey the command "to be fruitful and multiply"?

 

I did not read it as an attack on the Church, but I did take it more in the way you suggest.

I took your post to mean that it was not intended for procreation which I then thought was a very strange position fron you.

 

Nobody knows what God thinks. Everything that people attribute to God were made up by other people.......