Do you feel that Gods expectations are unrealistic?

God would not give almonds to those without any teeth.

 

No, I didn't gloss over. You missed entirely what I said. I said those particular words attributed to jesus are an embellishment. The people who were supposedly with him at the time were separated by distance and they could not stay awake.

No, you have that idea and so you interpret the words to mean that. By god jesus must have felt this way about what was happening, an egocentric perception. If you can recognize the human ego, a false identification of self, in the meaning or intent of a statement, you can bet that jesus didn't say it. Will and want, are not the same word. You can want to high heaven, but only what will be done is done.

Your perception that god wants something, is a feeble idea of god. With god, all things are possible. If god is love and love does not seek it's own, then how can god want? It doesn't explain god wanted something, it explains that god could not possibly want something. Perhaps it is your interpretation that is off.

While I can see waterbrother, how such a perception is generated and is seemingly intuitive, interpretations are best made through the consistent lens of love. Love joins, the ego separates and identifies itself in how it is unlike others. The ego regards man as unresolved because he is contested and contests at every level. The holy spirit regards man in the light that god created, all brethren in love.

 

This surprises me somewhat. May I ask why?

 

Christ has assured us that if we ask the holy spirit, it will teach us all things.
I suggest entering into communion with the holy spirit, and you call that leading away from god. You neither enter in nor allow others to do so. You do not seek mediation from the holy spirit but compare scriptures and say waterbrothers process finds thedope not in abeyance, guilty.

Every scribe who has been trained for the kingdom of heaven is like a householder who brings out of his treasure what is new and what is old.

 

Well, neither God nor Jesus asked us to, for one thing. Also You might ask yourself, why rabbits and eggs? I did and found that they are of pagan origin and such pagan taint is not pleasing to God. In any case the anniversary of Jesus' resurrection would have fallen the weekend before Easter this year. So they don't even have the date right.

 

Most christian holidays are of Pagan origin. Probably all of them.

 

It all comes back to the Early ages of the Church.

Passover, as we all should know, follows the Jewish calendar, which is not in sync with out modern Julian or Gregorian Calendars. This year, if we wanted to commemerate the actual aniversary of his death and ressurection we would be celebrating during the middle of the week (April 18 was the sundown seder, making the resurrection day a Thursday this year). The Early Church decided that the date of Pascha should always fall on a Sunday.

Then the Church decided that we should not rely on the Jewish calculation of Passover. There should be in effect a Christian Nisan, a Christian lunar month by which we should calculate the date to celebrate Pascha.

During the 16th century the Christian west and East came to different methods of calculating the date of Pascha. In 1997 the World Council of Churches agreed on a calculation method, but it has since failed to be put into place by both Protestant and Catholic West and the East.

Apparently, by some calculations, April 3rd (or 7th) is the correct date of the Crucifixion.

 

The Christian aspects, no.

The dates, possibly in some cases.

The cultural traditions, sometimes.

 

If God isn't our source how would you interpret Romans 11:35-36?

“Who has ever given to God,
that God should repay them?”[k]
36 For from him and through him and for him are all things.
To him be the glory forever! Amen

 

Also, denying God as our source (I do not know the original context, sorry) is denying his Creative Act.

If God did create the cosmos, then and new life (and although not in your theology, but in mine and other Christians) our Soul) are not created by God but just arose out of chance. Even with the acceptance of evolution as an ordained and sustained process, God's initial act of creation set into place natural laws that by proxy have him as the source of all life, and all holiness. We are not our own originators, nor are we independant of God for our salvation. This originates in the power of God.

The theology of Christian marriage, and against contraception, is that it is a visible sign of God's creative power. By the union of man and woman new life, new souls are created by God.

Again, I missed the original context of the disagreement, but as I see it quoted, OWB, you are in the wrong here.

 

Very interesting, thanks for the information.

As for me I see no reason not to use the same calculation for the date as Jesus used.

Jesus established the Lord's Evening Meal or the Memoral of his death at the same time he was celebrating the Jewish Passover.

This year the Passover was Sunday evening April 17, so I believe that would mean that Wednesday April 20 would be the anniversary of Jesus' resurrection.

 

There are some who believe that if it is of Pagan origin then it is not Christian.

 

Belief doesn't happen to be the criteria for truth.

I am curious where the following terms come from, the Lord's Evening Meal or the Memoral of his death, in capital letters, if anyone has some insight into this.

As far as jesus establishing traditions or observances;
The sabbath was made for man, not man for the sabbath.

As for the particular last supper observances, there are many different treatments, from prayers at mealtime to the communion ritual in a church.

However, immediacy is the watch word. Be vigilant only for god and his kingdom.
There is not one thing that we do not do first primarily for the body. All of our work is toward our physical success first. The bread body metaphor addresses this phenomena in saying as often as you do this, remember me. That is in every reaching toward our physical well being we remember the love and truth of christ. and likewise the cup containing blood, the chalice of our heart, the seat of desire and inspiration. As often as you drink, remember me. Much more a way of life than a holiday celebration.

 

Memorial is captalised because of the technical meaning of the word, i.e., anamnesis or "making present".

At once, Mass is both the Memorial (anamnesis) of his Last Supper and Sacrifice. Paul says that when we do what Jesus did at his Last Supper (that is, bless bread and wine to the Father) we announce his death (his Crucifixion). (1 Corinth. 11:26).

We use capitals because we show that these acts mean something, they are not a supper (like we have with family), but a Supper. A proper noun, not a mere noun.

 

Post #149 and 162.

 

Unrealistically, the god of the Eucharist expected us to want sexual satisfaction. Or was that?: He expected us to wish good intentions from that Will.

 

my belife is that if theres a god, he should be understanding of what our hearts want.

 

*belif

 

:dizzy2: in their hearts they know we're right. I wonder.

 

Thank you. 2,ooo years of definition is impressive in its' scope.

Yet for all the studied propriety, I will make a heterodox observation, as if it were a surprise:

The passage you cite from is remarkable in it's tortured logic and superstitious belief. To say that remembering christ is to proclaim his death until he comes, is quite a reach in order to fit it into a theological/theoretical plan of redemption through sacrifice. The writer actually states the reason many are weak and ill and some even die, is because they do not take the lords supper? with the proper attitude. You know, very much like saying the haitian earthquake is gods retribution for something they did.

I think lucy has some splanin to do since it is not what goes into a man that defiles him but what comes out. Doesn't quite rhyme with, you're not eating it right.