Do you feel that Gods expectations are unrealistic?

If a thing is true, there is no limit to that truth. It doesn't become untrue in the light of comparison to limited experience. Understand the fathers house is a place of prayer for all nations, not just jews. There are others of my flock who are not here but I will gather them also.

It is a silly thought but I am not a silly man. I am not a deist of any type, I love my creator. That same creator created all the different faces of the world.

Just as I have pointed out time and again, you do not yourself enter in, nor do you allow me to enter either.
I don't read the bible as a theologian or a deist. You are making an image of me through the lens of your interpretations. Like I have said theology or spiritual hierarchy is not a lesson of the holy spirit. Who is above and below, that is an ego concern of men. God knows only the son that he created, he is the only true measure, there are no opposing creations.

 

First it is not my interpretation and I believe that their many interpretations but that there is only one correct one.

And what you say contradicts what is written without any interpretation.

And it is childish nitpicking because what you are saying about the Bible not "saying" anything has nothing to do with interpretation or contradictions or anything else about the discussions in this thread but is just nonsense about the Bible not making the sounds of speech and you keep bringing up mostly to try and divert the discussion with this idiotic nonsense.

I see no proof of it, other than your claim that you are.

You do like to go off but you should take to heart that you should not answer before you hear the reply.

If some one writes that one and one is two, then you say one and one is seventy five and I say you contradicted what was written, you can say all you want that it's just a matter of interpretation but simple truth is you have made a statement that is contradictory of the truth that was written.

Truth is truth and you may come to understand it better but a better understanding does not change the truth.

I fear that it would not save your confusion. You seem to have some kind of idea that the truth can be anything you want it to be but that is just not true. The truth that God gives does does not change and always remains the same.

As for your spirit buddy, it is nothing unusual for it to look like an angel of light and mislead people.

And by the way you should not be praying to the Holy Spirit, as it seems you just said, you should be directing you prayers to God through his Jesus Christ.

Quite simply the whole Bible points to Jesus' sacrifice and your denial of that fact is a denial of all that God has taught mankind though his word the Bible.

Well God believes in it and that what matters to me.

The reason this thing is taught is that God wants it taught.

I'm not sure what sacrifice you are talking about but I'm pretty sure that when Jesus' sacrifice is not met with a sufficiently loving response then bitterness and sad confusion about Jesus' self worth is not sure to follow.

I'm not sure what perverted precolumbian human blood sacrifice has with true worship but then you are the one that seems to feel that all religions are valid, I don't.

Interestingly, Jesus called it God's will.

Not with itself just with God.

 

Okay.

No it doesn't

I understand that the the fathers house is a place of for all nations but it is not a place for all religions, just one.

Why yes he did but there is only one way he wants to be worshiped and does not make up a new religion for every other person on Earth.

Enter in? Where are we going?

Well I can see the don't read the Bible part.

Not true, you make a pretty good image of yourself all on your own.

And here I thought you said your spirit buddy will teach you all things.

What are you talking about?

 

Exactly and that correct one you feel is yours and those you agree with.

Not at all.

The idiotic nonsense is your belief that there is only one correct interpretation and that it is yours and those who you agree with. That is what is idiotic and seemingly beyond your capacity to comprehend.

What do I have to do with your lack of vision. Does this mean that you say I lie or simply you do not agree? Did I miss something. You keep saying that I cannot have the holy spirit because I do not agree with the bible. I say you do not recognize the spirit because the spirit is not in you.

I am willing to listen.
The reply is? I asked you. I said would you then claim that you did not imply that? No? You see no evidence you say. Where do you look for it?

I did not engage in the example you provide. It does not help for you to provide a hypothetical example that is skewed toward your position. If you have a case be specific.

That is correct, but it does dispel illusions we may have about the truth.
That it is important, that a person believes that jesus sacrificed his life is important to salvation, is an illusion you may have about the truth. Specifically, not everyone who says to me lord lord will enter the kingdom of heaven and in addition whoever says a word against the son of man will be forgiven, but whoever speaks against the holy spirit will not be forgiven either in this age or the age to come. These two examples of themselves demonstrate that such a belief is not required. It is necessary to keep the sayings of christ to learn the mercy of god.

To say that jesus never said he sacrificed himself does not in any way contradict the truth. You cannot provide a scripture that makes that claim. No one takes my life from me he says. Do sacrifices in the sense of jewish animal sacrifice, lay themselves on the altar?

If you are going to tell me how to pray, I will suggest to you that you not speak against the holy spirit. The holy spirit is the communication between ourselves our brother christ and the father. I must go that the comforter may come and he will teach you all things. This whole dynamic of being born anew in the spirit of god is missing from your appreciation, or at least you do not demonstrate that you acknowledge or comprehend it. You seem to me to have a theoretical rather than a practical understanding.

If that is all it has taught you I am sorry for you.

You give god human attributes of belief. What use does good have for belief?
God is the only real measure. That is a really cartoonish statement. What does god believe? That jesus says he desires mercy not sacrifice, does not matter or does not apply to you?

That is true of all catholic catechesis then? There are many many christian sects and denominations, are they all taught because god wants them taught that way?

I tell you the reason I am teaching the way I am is at the urging if the holy spirit.

You can certainly feel your self unworthy of jesus sacrifice if you cannot sense the presence of his love. But you will come to appreciate his love if his love and mercy is what you are taught, instead of his passion, (suffering), and sacrifice. You come to appreciate his love because the sayings he taught us to use, demonstrate the presence and truth of his love. To use his sayings teaches you that they are true.

I didn't say all religions are valid. I said there are many holy scriptures in the world. Human blood sacrifice has nothing to do with what jesus teaches or true worship.

I think that what is interesting is the premise that a loving god would kill his son for any reason. It is the same disjointed thinking that claims that to hate is to love. Or that we make peace through war or we screw for virginity. A premise or a house divided against itself.

 

It is a house of prayer for all those who pray in their heart to god. You do not say what god looks like. Those who gather, gather together, those who scatter, scatter.

You have it wrong. God does not give life so that he can be worshiped, that is another one of those egocentric beliefs about the nature of god. "God is on my side", but sides with no others."
Blessed are those servants whom the master finds awake when he comes, truly I say to you, he will gird himself and have them sit at table and come and serve them.

Into communion.

Yes it is true, it is your witness.

Yes, and that is not a lesson of the holy spirit. In other words theological hierarchy is nothing but imagination.

You should ask the holy spirit.

 

A house of prayer is accommodating to the personality of the member of the congregation. As much as there is the structure of a rejoicing for any appropriate or inappropriate meeting there is also the somber structure performed by the cleric as well. So we gather stones and cast away stones; I thought we could also find a reasonable accord for the worship to be applied for personal understandings whether they be casting or gathering, a time for love, a time for hate, a time for embracing at the grief of fellows,and a time for refraining from embracing... we still shouldn't scatter on occasions even though we may have the inclination to.

It is also the situation of the golden rule being applied. That means that we have a choice to decide the those successful forms of worship for the moment of the wealth or else the form of personal reflection. Basically how does the human right apply to the circumstance of the gold?

Some services would be applied to prayer for the trust in wording the work requested onto each other, and some wording would be applied to the founding for belief in the service with the secular world OR NOT. Ya...ah? Secular worlds are naturally immoral, No...ah?


Human rights exist in both the secular and God's World at once.



Relaxxx, any observations?

 

I think I understand you. There are cultural beliefs and rituals that comfort on that level. Edifice and decor providing effective symbols to appease those outward looking for truth.

Many are called but few are chosen is more thoroughly many are called but few choose to listen. I understand the community at large but the community at large does not allow for the isolated or confused or those struggling to fit. The well have no need of a physician.

There is the ecclesiastical time for all things. All things are lawful, all sins may be forgiven, but not all things are helpful. Mercury for instance is a lawful orb but no human being can live there.

The christ teaching is an introduction to the creative power of mind. A mind consistently focused works like the implosion of fissionable material, creating the energetically radiant. Absolute potential is quantum-ly sorted by mental focus.

That we are created as creators is the basis for the potential for "mighty works". To the extent that we do not realize the measure we give is the measure we receive, is the extent to which we depreciate the power of our own minds.

It is not a matter of achieving gods will but of recognizing gods will, (motive or creative power) as we have inherited it in ourselves. It is not flesh and blood with which we contend, but principalities and powers.

 

Well did the Laws of the world the Gods created cause this to happen unrealistically, and then it may be said that realism offers the permission to reach for the true world of the Kingdom of God. Or is being realistic to be revealed for only the momentarily proven god?!

 

I understand heaven and earth as perceptions but the perceptions are mutually exclusive of each other.

The sum total of the experience of "earth" is the ability to create temporary conditions for ourselves. A series of sensations, one followed by the other, some of which we call pleasant and some not so. This is excellent training that our creations spill into materiality, but being temporal, there is no danger of making a genuine mistake. That is whatever you create is susceptible to dissolution, much like the sun sparks on an ocean.

The perception of heaven is but an instant before that instant is translated into eternity, but it does so within an apparent temporal order. That instant is an out of time interval which is met at the appropriate time so to speak.
God takes the last step. No one knows the hour.

On earth we exist for and with each other, in heaven we are co creator with god.

 

Is that what I said? Don't lie about it now.

You do it all the time.

Once again, be honest now, did I ever say that I believe that my interpretation is the only correct one.

Yes, as usual you did miss something. You missed the fact that you have no proof for what you say.

That's true enough.

And I am so truly glad that your good spirit buddy is not in me. Personally, I would rather have the Holy Spirit guide me.

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Willing to listen? Then why didn't you read the reply I already gave you?

And since I made no such implication, you can see why I said you should wait for the reply before you make such erroneous statements.

I've been waiting for evidence to show up in your posts, maybe the next one.

Once again very astute of you to notice

You're kidding, right? Practically every one of my posts have contained specifics but you ignore them and then ask me to repost them because you seem to have forgotten them.

Illusions about the Truth?

Actually it's an "illusion" that the Bible actually has about the truth.

They are not proof that such a belief is not required but that perhaps more than one thing is needed.

Yes, it is necessary to keep the sayings of the Christ.

As I remember Jesus didn't nail himself to the stake either.

I don't speak against the Holy Spirit but your spirit buddy is a another story altogether.

No it isn't.

and recall to mind all the things I said.

I have demonstrated it over and over but your good spirit buddy has blinded you to the truth of what I say

It seems to me that you are blinded by your Good spirit buddy.

It seems that you have not even learn that from it, so I feel sorry for you.

You do like to debate about words.

God is the only real measure is a really cartoonish statement? What?

It matters but it would be good if you had any clue what it means.

There many things that are taught that are not what God wants taught, I was only saying that the ransom sacrifice of Jesus Christ is taught because God wants it not because of the cobbled together reason you gave.

If you you say it often enough you might even convince yourself that it's true but it still won't be actually true.

You have no idea what forgiveness or love is.

Okay, which Holy Scriptures do you think are valid?

Still being mislead I see.

Who said God killed his son? Oh yeah that good spirit buddy of yours trying to defame God.

It can be loving to hate what is bad.

I don't think I said that these were true but in your mind who knows.

You should probably tell your good spirit buddy about that one.

 

What God looks Like?

What in the world are you taking about? I said that God only has one way he wants to be worshiped, I said nothing about God giving life only to be worshiped.

Now you're just quoting random Scriptures.

It is my witness that you make a pretty good image of yourself but not that the image is a necessarily good one.

Still if your good spirit buddy is teaching you all things shouldn't it teach you that too?

I did but it said that your good spirit buddy ran away scared.

 

I am the one making the statement. The idea that god wants, to be worshiped or wants for anything at all, is a purely vain and egocentric perception. God as creator of all things could not possibly want for anything.

No, I always quote in the context to the discussion. The reason you are easily confused about what I say, is because you compare what I say against your beliefs, rather than follow the points as related to the discussion. The father wills that his son be happy and the father does everything to make that happen.

It matters not at all what I make of myself, my creator is measure of me. And your measure is the measure you give. I have nothing to do with your assessment of me.

The holy spirit doesn't teach fantasy or support illusion. The holy spirit shows us the truth that god created as compared to the needless suffering we have made of the world. It makes this comparison in real time so that you can see what you are choosing in stark relief. The holy spirit always speaks for the innocence of the son of god and speaks as loudly as your willingness to listen.

Where two or more are gathered in my name, I am there among you. I am sorry you do not enjoy communion with the holy spirit. You know you have not have said the truth here, but you are trying to be some kind of smart ass. I respect that your beliefs serve you, but I do not share your vanity. The holy spirit does not rely on well devised program but speaks as needed in the present. Neither I nor the holy spirit have not gone anywhere. Your judgment only counts to you.

 

Really? Well let's see if your good spirit buddy has been telling you the truth in this matter.

Let's look at my "interpretation" of the matter;
(Exodus 24:12) Jehovah now said to Moses: “Come up to me in the mountain and stay there, as I want to give you the stone tablets and the law and the commandment that I must write in order to teach them.”
(Exodus 33:5) And Jehovah went on to say to Moses: “Say to the sons of Israel, ‘YOU are a stiff-necked people. In one moment I could go up into the midst of you and certainly exterminate you. So now put down your ornaments off yourself, as I want to know what I am going to do to you.’”
(Deuteronomy 10:10) Jehovah did not want to bring you to ruin.
(Deuteronomy 23:5) And Jehovah your God did not want to listen to Ba′laam; but Jehovah your God in your behalf changed the malediction into a blessing, because Jehovah your God loved you.. . .
(Deuteronomy 29:20)Jehovah will not want to forgive him. . .
(2 Kings 8:19) And Jehovah did not want to bring Judah to ruin for the sake of David his servant, . . .
(2 Kings 13:23) However, Jehovah showed them favor and had mercy upon them and turned to them for the sake of his covenant with Abraham, Isaac and Jacob; and he did not want to bring them to ruin, and he did not cast them away from before his face until now.
(2 Chronicles 21:7) And Jehovah did not want to bring the house of David to ruin
(Daniel 4:17) the Most High is Ruler in the kingdom of mankind and that to the one whom he wants to, he gives it and he sets up over it even the lowliest one of mankind.”
(Daniel 4:25) until you know that the Most High is Ruler in the kingdom of mankind, and that to the one whom he wants to he gives it.
(Daniel 4:32) until you know that the Most High is Ruler in the kingdom of mankind, and that to the one whom he wants to he gives it.’”
(Daniel 5:21) until he knew that the Most High God is Ruler in the kingdom of mankind, and that the one whom he wants to, he sets up over it.

The Bible appears to say that there are things God wants and doesn't want but hey, those are all from the "Old Testament", so let's look to the words of Jesus that you seem to say you believe;
(Mark 14:36) . . .And he went on to say: “Abba, Father, all things are possible to you; remove this cup from me. Yet not what I want, but what you want.”

Surely your good spirit buddy is not telling you that Jesus is here having a purely vain and egocentric perception is he?

 

WHO's on first, what's on second, third base...I don't know!

 

I doubt that god (in whatever form you believe in a higher power) cares where anyone puts their gentials. God is love; seems to be the one point most people of different faiths and beliefs can agree on. Love is absolutely without condition, including the condition that it must be shared between a man and a woman. Where one chooses to extend love, they're choosing to live in the "light" of god as oppossed to the petty differences of the human ego.

Human sexuality is a product of the human body. Human beings can accept and extend love, but the human body has nothing more to do with it than the physical manifestation of the love we experience with our hearts and minds. It's just a way to express those feelings using our bodies, nothing more. Therefore love must exist outside of the human body, and it needn't have conditions such as love can only be shared between a physical man and a physical woman. It isn't confined by such things. When we aren't confined by our bodies, we can/will share love with everything else, gender is not involved.

There's no real difference between platonic love, and the love between a man and his woman. The only difference being that in one case, those involved share their love physically, in the other case they do not. The love that exists in both cases is the same love, perhaps even to the same degree.

 

Nope. All those old testament descriptions of god siding with one thing or another, are human egotistical descriptions. I have described to you before the several points of departure in the bible. The first story of creation followed by a different version of creation, to the gospels, and back again, beginning with acts, as men argue with each other over the correct way to believe.
The quote from the garden is an embellishment, those with him were out of earshot and couldn't keep awake. Remember, I do not believe in your perception of the bible. Just as you do not believe that my perceptions of the meaning of jesus sayings in the context of the living world, have anything to do with the holy spirit.

 

There is no difference; I agree. The body as self is receivable for the violence in-cured upon it from history, and the violence in-cured as such is a dualistic sickness for the knowledge of Self over and against the shear self per being a Body for the sensuality it in a sick way appoints itself to.


But for all that Love is beyond good and evil.

 

If god is love and love does not seek it's own, then how can god want?

 

Sorry meant to copy elsewhere. Happy Easter

 

Well let's look at your "quoting in context".
Here is the thread of the conversion:

This comment and the Scripture both have nothing to do with the on going discussion and that is why I said;

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