Do you feel that Gods expectations are unrealistic?

And the atheistic psychology was absolved from Me by the Saint. Theistic psychology though is not my strength. I must first be aware for what there was to KNOW.

 

Yep, the holy spirit teaches all things. An atheists description of this would be that we regard the world with equanimity. That all things are whole and consistent of themselves. That self depreciating premises are just that.
There is no opposing will but there are opposing beliefs.

I am a plain man, but I have learn many languages from nature.

 

I am not talking description. I am talking psychology, asshole. Of course, someone's asshole can be someone else's pen to reach for. (n/t)

 

At least we know an asshole can be as important as a mouth.

 

Well, lying about me and accusing me of things I haven't done for starters.

 

Okay well this statement is full of private thoughts that do not meet the requirements of explanation at large. In other words to make this claim, speaks nothing of substance to me.
I have suggested that we discuss meaning rather than whether someone is in compliance with someones belief. You do not regard what I say at face value, but always in juxtaposition of the way you think it has to be. I do not enjoy fielding your accusations of infidelity with my creator. It is tedious and vulgar slander. Your beliefs become legal license not to fulfill the law, but to accuse your brother. You claim that the accusation is not yours but you are simply demonstrating how I am in variance to your interpretations of scripture, and I am telling you strait up before the whole congregation, that you are liable for this depiction, not the bible.

I refer you to respond to post #200.

 

I think maybe we are here just to be.

 

So the statement: Man has dominion over all the animals. As such he expects ethics for this Dominion. But we fail to attain the glory of an ultimately responsibly held dominion. On the other hand, He expected us to do nothing for ourselves from that situation in Life. That was: I thought, always realistic that we would sin for the dominion over Life on Earth. Just being would be unrealistic but nevertheless a better collective responsibility for, yes, God's expectations.

O.K. Chronic Tom...., it's up to you.


With "evolution" the realistic expectations decidedly Chron..' become only our thought of God feeling for our success at sinning. Different opinions yield different results, and hence the "concept of gods" Nevertheless, just being with life best enlightens when we just are.

My sinners, everyone good at ethics, would deny monotheism as the truth. And we'd vote Liberal.

 

I can understand that, it's not you being lied about.

Then why do you tell "falsehoods" about what I believe, even after I have told you several times that it is not what I believe?

Because what you say on face value contradicts what the Bible says. Even then I probably wouldn't even talk to you about it but you say that what you believe is Christian and so I compare what you say with what the Bible says.

I've often said I felt that you are mislead by your good spirit buddy but I don't think I've mentioned "infidelity with your creator".

More so than your repeated "falsehoods" about what I believe?

Again a "falsehood", please tell me what I have accused you of?

Which congregation might you be talking about?

As for the "depiction", I can't help how the Bible depicts you and as for it being my "interpretation", a lot of the time I just quote a Scripture and let it tell you that your spirit buddy's interpretation is incorrect and don't even comment. What you are seeing and are disagreeing with is that "the word of God is alive and exerts power and is sharper than any two-edged sword and pierces even to the dividing of soul and spirit, and of joints and [their] marrow, and [is] able to discern thoughts and intentions of [the] heart." (Hebrews 4:12)

If you wish but I don't generally respond to posts that are not directed at me.

 

Precisely, what do I lie about you. What is the thing that I have said that lies about you?

Your going to have to remind me if you want satisfaction, because I do not know at this moment why you are accusing me of lying about your beliefs. I cannot lie about your beliefs, I can only tell the truth what goes on in me. Your beliefs are your own to describe. I have described your actions.

No it does not at face value contradict what the bible says because the bible does not say anything. I have never heard the bible say one word, nor have you! You probably wouldn't talk to me if I didn't speak contrary to what you believe? I am a disciple of christ, not a bible scholar. You are not weighing the man. You are weighing whether I interpret the bible in the same way that you do, and if you feel that I am not then I am not worthy to be christian.

The congregation is the congregation of christians or others that might be interested in what is being said here. The congregation that is private messaging me, to please don't stop posting. What do you accuse me of, of being without the holy spirit.
If I ask god for the gift of the holy spirit, and I say god has given me this gift,
but you say the spirit that is in me is not the holy spirit. That is telling me that I am out of accord with god, is it not? I know you feel that I am misled by you say my "spirit buddy". Isn't that blaspheme against the holy spirit?
What you say about how I do not coincide with your beliefs about what the bible says is absolutely true. As you hear me you hear what the holy spirit has taught me to say. I am not a bible scholar. I do live with the presence of the holy spirit.

I don't comment because we have been over it a thousand times. It is simply a redundant beating with words that are devoid of spirit. The spirit translates or makes the letter meaningful, the letter is not the spirit.

I am not in the bible, it is you that makes the association. It is the very same as the way you fit precisely the description of the pharisaical treatment of the whole issue. You do not put forth that you recognize the holy spirit other than as some words in a book. Have you asked the holy spirit to teach you anything? Maybe you believe that you have because you read the bible, but the bible is a book, not a spirit.

You tell me, are you in communion with the holy spirit? If not, then you have not gone in. Because you say I am not in compliance with what the "bible says", you say I cannot be in the spirit either. This is a description of actions. I do not believe you are derelict. I do believe that your strong beliefs
about the bible put you in conflict with your brother, where in truth, there is no conflict. We are brothers of equal stature in christ, if the mind be in you that is in christ jesus. Literacy is not required for salvation, trust and mercy are. Now you tell me how am I against the spirit of the law.

That is absolutely not what I'm seeing and disagreeing with. The word of god is a living word not a printed word. I have said this many times. Is this you then, calling me a liar?

"No one born of god commits sin, for god's nature abides in him, and he cannot sin because he is born of god." It is the indwelling of the holy spirit, his constant care and instruction that makes this so.

Go and sin no more, means, go and sin no more. I am a disciple of christ, not a bible worshiper.

 

There are many holy scriptures in the world, not just the bible. Those who gather, gather. Those who scatter, scatter.

 

Woo...hooo, I can watch the TEA Party and the influence of the oil company defense portrayed on CNN today. Echoes of the mistaken Ronald Reagan: he's dead, isn't he?


Re-regulate oil companies and airports. Long live the King.:biggrin:

 

No comment from anybody about dignity and the conveniences which make human nature work believably?

 

Come on, don't be obtuse.

I'm a little tired of your doing things like this. I call you on something, with specifics and then you wait a few days, then say something like this. This in itself is, in a way, a lie because you know what was said as well as I do and to act like you don't know is also a falsehood, a lie if you will.

I suggest that instead of your trying to force me to waste my time looking it up for you, that you go back and look it up for yourself. A loving person would have done that first.

 

You can call a book anything you want but only the Bible is the word of Almighty God, Jehovah the Creator of the universe and mankind. If your good spirit buddy has told you anything but this it is lying to you and is definitely not the Holy Spirit.

 

A loving person wouldn't be keeping score. All expressions of love are maximal.
You are the one accusing me of lying about you. The only thing I know about you is what you told me and what the holy spirit shows me is common to all men. If I felt I was lying about you, I would have noted what I was lying about. But since I wasn't then I don't know what you are talking about.
I am not forcing you to call me a liar. It is your claim, it is not my responsibility to uphold your claim against me. If you are tired of it, stop doing it. Forgiveness is the antidote for any accusation.

Do you mean that I have accused you of wanting to be special? Let's talk about it. Am I mistaken in thinking that you consider yourself one of the few who makes it, or do you feel you will be incinerated?
The purpose of time is to allow time for us to choose again. The father does not want that christ should loose any, and in time will call all men to himself
You tell other people they may be sorry for their lack of identical belief to yours. It is not the threat of punishment that causes me to love god, but you think it important that I or others should be warned. Or maybe you don't and you just warn as an idle device.
Do I liken you to a pharisee, Yes I do, for the reasons I explained and yet you can invite the holy spirit in at any time.

 

It doesn't say that only the bible is the word of god, it says all holy scripture, is beneficial.

And no, your beliefs are not proof that I am without the holy spirit.
Not everyone who says to me lord lord will enter the kingdom but those who do the will of the father.

 

This again?
If you really want to go there, I've never heard you say anything either and you can take that anyway you want.

As for saying that the Bible says this or that, it is common English usage to say that a book, any book, says this or says that. So to say that the Bible doesn't "say" anything is just childish nitpicking and is not in anyway an answer to the fact that what you "say" in your posts contradicts what is written in the Bible.

I talk to all sorts of people and amazingly even those that agree with me.

Well, I can agree with the "not a bible scholar" part.

Are you trying to get me to judge you? I thought you didn't believe in that.

If I've told you once, I must have told you a dozen times, I do not judge who is a Christian and who is not. It is just not my job.

Next I'm not particularly interested in whether you agree with my "interpretation" or not but when someone, anyone says a Scripture means this or that, I think either that that agrees with all the Scriptures I'm familiar with on the subject or that doesn't agree with the Scriptures I'm familiar with on the subject.

Like your saying that "I would have mercy, not sacrifice" means that Jesus did not sacrifice his life for mankind. So the first thing I think is can that be so? Then I begin to review all the Scriptures that I'm familiar with on the subject. I have shown you many of them but to show all the Scriptures that deal with Jesus' Sacrifice, I would have to reprint at least 90% or more of the Bible. Yet you keep insisting that that is what the phrase means but by the shear volume of the evidence against what you believe, I have to insist that is not what the Bible "says" and thus is not what God meant when he had it included in the Bible.

 

Really? What an astute observation.

The only trouble is it was written by the disciples of Christ, who were Jews and knew of no other writings that were inspired of God, although they knew of other religions than their own, those other religions were considered false Worship and would never have been included in the statement "all scripture".

Not my beliefs but yours. You are the one who seems to think all the world's "holy books" are holy scripture, which means you would believe that God is both monotheistic and polytheistic at the same time, kind of a silly thought. Also the Holy Spirit is a gift from the God of the Bible and if you'd read the Bible some time, you would find out that he is a jealous God and will have no other god before him and thus would not give the gift of Holy Spirit to a person that worships a pantheon of gods.

 

Actually it would childish nitpicking if you did not believe that your interpretation of scripture is the only interpretation there is. What I say may contradict your interpretation of what is written but it does not contradict what is written.

No it isn't your job. You say you can agree with me on the I am not a bible scholar part but what about the part that I am a disciple of christ?
This is where I think you are being dishonest. To say that you can agree with one part of my statement is to imply that you cannot agree with the other. Now would you claim that you didn't imply that. You certainly could deny it technically, but I do not believe you can deny it in spirit.

Is it that you are blind? It is not possible to disagree with scripture, the words are written, there for everyone to see. We do not disagree on fact, but on interpretation of fact. The bible is a fact. You and I interpret that fact, differently. I read and interpret the bible through the lens of my experience with the holy spirit. You perceive the bible as a static protocol.
Understanding is dynamic, not static. When I was a child a passage meant one thing to me, but as I grew and gained experience the meaning grew to become something much larger. It still contained the original sentiment but the new sentiment was more penetrating in all things.


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It would save confusion if we could concentrate on this difference in particular since it is one that you are adamant about. That necessity to reprint 90% or more of the bible to come to your conclusion is a type of statistical analysis of written material. That is your process. My process is to pray and ask the holy spirit to teach me what I must learn. One of the metrics I use is how the world reflects back to me my efforts. If I am successful through the grace of spirit to encourage healing, then I know what the holy spirit says is true.

Specifically, what jesus presents is unlike what had gone on before. We were no longer to be once removed from the father through the establishment traditions. There were many things done for the purpose of fulfilling prophecy
specifically to lend authority to this transcendence.
No one puts new wine in old skins, and I break no law whatsoever by saying jesus did not sacrifice himself. He laid his life down and picked it up again to demonstrate the power of gods mercy. This is my son in whom I am well pleased, no matter that the world had despised and accused him, their accusations of sin could not defeat the truth.

The remarkable thing is, that no amount of belief in the necessity of blood sacrifice for the redemption of man, alters one iota, the truth that the holy spirit has me speak on this issue. What essential difference does it make if you believe that jesus sacrificed himself or if he had mastery of himself, not everyone who says to me lord lord will enter the kingdom.

The reason this is being taught is that many devoted and well meaning people find themselves shattered in good conscience because of the perceived need for sacrifice to demonstrate the power of love. When their sacrifice is not met with a sufficiently loving response then bitterness and sad confusion about self worth is sure to follow. Self sacrifice, bloodletting, is not purgative, it is self denial and immolation. Human blood sacrifice is a pre columbian perversion. It is service and glad devotion that uplifts our brothers.

So this is not a theological teaching, it is a practical alignment with gods will.
An idea that does not conflict with itself.
I desire mercy not sacrifice.