Do you feel LSD is cheating?

And here's a good excuse for me to copy and paste a selection from the Books of Bokonon (from Kurt Vonnegut's Cat's Cradle).

In the beginning, God created the earth, and he looked upon it in His cosmic loneliness. And God said, "Let Us make living creatures out of mud, so the mud can see what We have done." And God created every living creature that now moveth, and one was man. Mud as man alone could speak. God leaned close as mud as man sat up, looked around, and spoke. Man blinked. "What is the purpose of all this?" he asked politely.
"Everything must have a purpose?" asked God.
"Certainly," said man.
"Then I leave it to you to think of one for all this," said God.
And He went away.

I love the extremely life-like tragicomedy of it.

And, while I'm at it, the Books say:

Live by the foma ["a useful and harmless sort of horseshit"] that make you brave and kind and healthy and happy.

That's just the best advice, ever.

http://www.cs.uni.edu/~wallingf/personal/bokonon.html#words

 

Yh, i agree with standingseated, karma is just what happens beyond the control of everyone and some people notice it while others think it's bs. Thats all it really is is just a pattern of life that people sometimes start noticing subconciously.

 

Well also the law of thermodynamics

and also physics, everything orbits.

And everything is an example of the cycles of reality. The earth is round, the earth orbits. trees decompose and regrow. The circle is the fundamental pattern of creation.

Straight lines really don't exist in reality, every straight line in actual reality, extended for infinity, will eventually loop back around to it's starting point. The belief in straight lines is something left over from the european flatland days when they believed you could go far enough in one direction and just fall of, and thats the end of it. This belief in the earth being flat also played a pretty big part in the development of philosophies at the time. Like in Christianity, how they believe you go through life, and then die, and then your off somewhere else, thats the end. That belief relies upon the notion that straight lines exist, that the earth is actually flat, that you can go one direction and actually reach the end. Whereas the truth is, you go one direction, and you jsut end up where you start from at some point.

theres more to the energy of your body than just positive and negative. I mean you got all the colors and shapes of the positives and negatives too.

 

One the most real, intelligent things I've read in these forums to date.

This is how I've looked at all life lessons since I was 17,
Experience brings knowledge, knowledge imparts responsibility, responsibility demands action, through action you gain experience and the cycle of learning continues on into infinity.

If you cannot implement the "enlightenment" you gain from drugs or any other source or path in your life for the betterment of another person then it's not worth a pile of shit. Remember folks it's not all about "me", it's about the other guy and how can I LOVE that other person through my actions.
If your experiences don't bring you to that realization and help you to DO it in the mundane daily life we all share it's all just a load of esoteric words and cozy feelings, nothing of real substance.
My god some of you folks really over think and work this shit to death!
In the meantime while your "working out" your spiritual enlightenment with over analyzed rhetoric and trying to glean mystical meaning from your trips, your just spinning your wheels in regards to the real spiritual work you could be doing.
Life is simple, love is simple, nature is simple, why make it all so f***ing complicated?

 

Good, valid points...though some might argue that's the beginning of eternity.

 

truth!

 

I'm sorry to inform you that you a VERY wrong on this one...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flat_Earth#Early_Christian_Church
http://ancienthistory.suite101.com/article.cfm/from_a_flat_to_a_round_earth

 

Haha that was some interesting material.

 

oop wrong thread

 

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This is wisdom.

 

It's called "the human condition"

 

sometimes people need to get lost in concepts and abstracts before the simplicity appears. It's refreshing to tour the far reaches of consciousness and the cosmos and to return to your native frequency. It can be seen with a fresh set of eyes because of the maze of esotericism. We see that concept and intellectualism gets far out, but that only makes the simplicity more radiant once we awaken to it. Much is possible with thought, but our own native reality becomes "better" because we can see that there is nothing better or more fulfilling than what is already freely and obviously given, having danced with philosophy.

I don't know about others, but I'd want to find out for myself, rather than take your word for it, that life and love are simple. And sometimes "working it out" is the only way to get there.

The complicated side of us will run right back into the simple side, like the other circles of existence, there is no distraction in losing oneself in it.

The forum is just a place with words going back and forth. We try to be exact but everything is open to interpretation, and this forum is not life, it's just a place to throw rhetoric around. Judgment on a person's totality should be suspended if a moniker and a few posts are all you know of them.

 

I agree with you completely. It seems the more "complex" they try to make things, the more they lose their sense of direction with what they want to achieve through this "knowledge" (wouldn't even call it Knowledge, most of it's not really beneficial or enlightening at all, just a bunch of ambiguous jargon that's quite the head trip).

Seems like an awesome time for me to bring up a powerful Einstein quote..

 

I think this one by Einstein also applies:

“The intuitive mind is a sacred gift and the rational mind is a faithful servant. We have created a society that honors the servant and has forgotten the gift.”

 

Applies to what? Lol

 

LSD isnt cheating--but it is pretty easy------but why are you looking for Acid anyway-i was looking for mind expanding trips and i got em why should it be more difficult than that?









vvvvvvvvv enlightment without drugs is pretty hard ---from what i read-- so i'll take my not so deep lessons--without putting in "the work" so to speak--and i might not act enlightened--but i know every time i dont---hell i quit construction for 5 years cas i saw i was hurting the earth ---sooooo---theres that

 

He wasn't looking for acid, through out the topic he revealed that anybody who decided to use "mind expanding" drugs to achieve some sort of enlightenment or revelation wouldn't be able to reach the "depths" he has found through meditation without drugs, lol

 

the conversation at hand. I was pointing out that the interpretive mind has a place, as a servant. It's only a distraction if it's put on a pedastal. Someone reading a few posts can't really know whether that person is allowing the logical mind to serve him rather than obstruct him. I just don't think our conceptual efforts ought to be discarded since they can help orient toward simplicity.

 

Definitely man. I don't believe any ones making any definite judgments towards any one on here, just discussing. Like you said (and maybe adding on a lil bit), this is just a place where people come by and share a part of themselves that they otherwise couldn't share any where else, as far as the learning they receive through the psychedelic world goes. It's just a piece of them, and only some of what they think.

It's just I can't personally help but to wonder if some of what these people are realizing is honestly benefiting them or not, but yeah, every ones gonna follow their own path and learn from their own mistakes.

Here's an interesting quote from a guide to spiritual enlightenment that seems to somewhat apply to the topics at hand in this topic so far: