Do you ever see the 60's making a comeback?

why r u on a hippie forum?

 

...my thoughts exactly. I'm the proud daughter of a Vietnam Veteran and he is supportive of me.

 

i foresee the sixties as being a little more than 52 years away

 

Originally Posted by easy_rider69
"Why would you want that way of thinking again? Protests making heros look like villans and lazy scared "hippys" look like saints. NO THANKS. You old "hipppys" should be ashamed of yourselves for what you put allmost every vietnam vet through. Funny thing is back then you guys used to think that you were changin everything, but in fact when i look into the past, i see all hippys as nothing but scared lazy bums, to afraid to serve your duty as a citizen yet criticize everything your country stand for. Not in your case since you are canadian which is just weird that you would care so much about an AMERICAN war, oh wait it was a TREND to be a jobless travel everywhere bum, how could i forget."

XBloodyNailPolishX responded with:

"why r u on a hippy forum?"

Because he knows there's something important to learn here. I appreciate his honesty.

The way some of the hippies treated the soldiers returning from Vietnam was disgusting.
And it came from their guilty consciences.

They were (and are) as dependent upon the American economy as anyone else, hippy or straight,
and this economy cannot survive without the brutal work of America's imperial armed
forces. It needs the de facto slave labor and the new markets and the new resources.

The hippies wouldn't have had the time to protest and demonstrate and hang out and
smoke dope and listen to rock music and fuck around on the typical commune if it
wasn't for the excess wealth generated by the corporations.

And that's what the army does: It makes sure that the corporations get their way
around the world.

Having long hair and hippy clothes and using all the hip words and listening to
radical rock and smoking dope instead of drinking booze doesn't make you
different from anyone else. It's just a costume.

Littlefoot

 

Duty as a citizen? sorry, but its WRONG to force someone to fight. And you're making very hateful, generalized statements. One of my friends is a Vietnam Vet, and you know what? Now he's an awesome hippie.

 

easy_rider69 wrote:

"Why would you want that way of thinking again? Protests making heros look like villans and lazy scared "hippys" look like saints. NO THANKS. You old "hipppys" should be ashamed of yourselves for what you put allmost every vietnam vet through. Funny thing is back then you guys used to think that you were changin everything, but in fact when i look into the past, i see all hippys as nothing but scared lazy bums, to afraid to serve your duty as a citizen yet criticize everything your country stand for. Not in your case since you are canadian which is just weird that you would care so much about an AMERICAN war, oh wait it was a TREND to be a jobless travel everywhere bum, how could i forget."

XBloodyNailPolishX replied:

"Duty as a citizen? sorry, but its WRONG to force someone to fight."

You live in an economy that requires fighting to sustain it. Always has.
Why sholdn't you do your share?

I refused to go to Vietnam. But I also moved to a 'commune' that was
about 95% materially self-sufficient.

We weren't living off the spoils of war like you are.

You are a blinking hypocrite. You want to send other people to
do your dirty work for you and pretend that your hands are clean.

Littlefoot

 

I think there's too much apathy in the world today for anything like that to ever exist again, sadly. It's become so hard to have a voice it seems the whole country believes they don't have a voice at all. Plus, the government sent a strong message during that time that if you rock the boat you get punished pretty harshly. People are afraid. The government has become even more powerful since then. We're already losing freedom, I think communism is a possible future for us. (God help us if it is.) Think what they'd do to us if we fucked with them now. Or when it's worse.
Fear is a huge obstacle.

 

That's what the Media wants you to believe. Which is to say what the
Corpoations want you to believe.

There's more real 'revolution' now than there was back then. It's just that
the new pioneers keep a very low profile. We made the mistake in the
60's of believing that this was a free country (USA) and they have learned
from our mistakes.

Talk's cheap. ACT!

"Become the changes you want to see in the world." --Ghandi

That's why the new revolution is underground. And why mere talk won't
even get you near it. You have to be trying to live in a truly progressive
way or you'll never see a sign.

That's true. But you don't have to be afraid of the government (which is to say,
the majority of the people) if they don't know you are doing something that
would seriously offend them.

But you better believe that the government and the majority of the people are
the same thing, because it's a fact, no matter what kind of words they use
or costumes they wear. The seemingly hippest hippy will turn your ass in
so fast it will make your head spin, because they are just wearing a costume
and playing a role. They have no desire to see the System that makes their
cushy, elitist (in global terms) lifestyle possible, come to end. And they have
no intention of giving it up.


Littlefoot

 

I again with XBloodynailpolishX itis wrong to forcesomeone to fight in the war. I found what Lennon was doing too stop the war in the 60's/70's and bring back the vietnam vet's home, and I am a hippie and I believe it is wrong for wars to have ever been started, all they fucking do is show and give kids the thoughts in there minds to go to war when there older, and die. I mean look at the violence on the news in most streets. i mean every one dies, but they shouldn't have to die by guns, knifes, rapists, killers, gangs, terrorists. it just doesn't need to happen at all. All the world needs is happiness and peace.

 

War is wrong. But this country has to make war, either directly or by proxy,
in order for its minority (in global terms) population to consume most of
the world's resources.

So if you are going to be a part of such an economy, you should do whatever
is needed to make it happen. Your fair share.

If you don't want to support war, then don't live in this economy. You can't
have your cake and eat it too.

John Lennon was filthy rich. It's real easy to say anything, but he lived like
a king while children starved to death all over the world, and he certainly
was for, in his heart (revealed by his actions) the war machine that provided
his riches.

We have way too many people around with wonderul ideas, and far too
few who do anything real to make them happen.

True, but you coudn't live like you do without them.

Or you have you forgotten basic things like the fact you live on a stolen
continent?

If you live like a middle class person, you are consuming far more than
you could produce, no matter how hard you worked.

That means that someone is producing far more than they consume.

Like the people who pick and process fruits and vegetables so that you
can afford to eat animal products at every meal (I'm assuming that you
have a typical American diet, and could be wrong.)

If you had to pay an honest price for those vegetables then you wouldn't
be eating so many animal products, I assure you.

And the exploitation of minorities is a lot more serious in other countries,
where most of the stuff Americans consume come from.

Great. How are you going to have peace when your country consumes most
of the world's resources? Think everyone around the world is going to go:

"Sure, go ahead and take our land and trash it for all the stuff that Americans
and Europeans want. We'll even toil in your plantations and mines and
factories and sweatshops for dirt cheap because you are just so wonderful
and our lives are worth nothing."

Peace and Love? Sure. But talk is really CHEAP!

"If you would do good in the world, first make sure you are doing no evil."

--Ghandi

Littlefoot

 

Littlefoot, you make some great points.

 

Emelia, I couldnt agree more. Bravismo! Couldnt have said it better myself. We ALL should care about what goes on in the world, and come together as one people to help stop the violence of immature and unneccessary wars.

And easy_rider, not all of us smoke pot and blame the system. As a matter of fact, after I graduate next summer I am joining the armed forces. Why? Because I want to serve and travel and meet other people. I dont have dreadlocks, I think they are cool, but would I get some? No. Do I look forward to peace on the earth? Yes. A new tomorrow in which we could change from a time of war to our missed and loved soldiers coming home and seeing their loved ones once again? You bet your ass I do. I dont consider myself a hippie actually. I consider myself to be one intellectual being in search of nature's way of living, peaceful living, believing in the belief that every single person on earth is to be tolerated and loved as one's own brother or sister. If you dont like it, then consider going to another place. However you have your own story and opinion.

 

It is NEVER ok to force someone to kill for a war they don't believe in. NOTHING requires violence and murder.

 

the sixties will arrive on dec 31, 2059 at 12:00 pm

 

You persist in self-servingly closing your mind to the big picture here.

What you are saying is the equivalent of: 'I'm not going to work for
a living because all those nasty corporations are trashing the environment
and I don't believe in trashing the environment'

Yet you still buy and use their products and services.

How convenient. And that's all I'm seeing here from you.
Self-serving hot air.

From day 1, and before, warfare has been necessary to make this
country work.

You wouldn't be living as you do without it.

You want all the benefits of living here but you don't want
to do your fair share of the dirty work.

You think that just because you don't pick up a gun that
you don't have blood on your hands?

Those uniformed terrorists are over there doing what is
necessary to make it possible for you to live as you do.

I'll respect you when you walk your talk and refuse
to partake of the spoils of war.

Right now you are just a bag of hot air and a spoiled jerk
who wants all the benefits of living in imperial America
but doesn't want to do his share of the dirty work.

You want to pretend that you are different just because
you don't believe in war.

Talk is cheap. And so are you.

Wrong. Americans, and that's YOU buddy, consume most
of the world's resources and yet are only about 8% of
its population. You can't do that without violence and
a lot of it..

There's blood on your hands, dude. You can't make it go away
with a bunch of Liberal double-speak.

You don't have to pull the trigger or drop the bombs. You just
have to patronize the corporations that do it for you.

And you DO do that.

And no corporation could exist for a week without customers.
They just take your money and buy weapons and soldiers
with it.

LIttlefoot

 

LoveMore,

Thanks. I really try to think clearly and do the research necessary to
make that possible. It helps to have been around during the Hippy Era
and today, too.

Littlefoot

 

They'll be back long before then. But that's pretty funny.

Not quite, ChiefCowpie (dam it's hard to take someone with a name like
that seriously!)

We've had enough of the gods created by man. Time to get in touch with
the God that creates man. And everything else.

Littlefoot

 

I would like to do my part in helping to make this world a better place, and i definitely don't believe that wars will make it peaceful. some people just need to clean the shit out of there fucking brains, thats just my opinion.

peace and much love

 

"Become the changes you want to see in the world." --Ghandi

I don't think anyone really believes that. But America, supposedly
the world's Good Guy, needs a lot of different ways to disguise
its brutal imperialism.

It's like the bullshit we hear all the time about people needing
guns for defense. Guns aren't defensive tools, they are offensive
tools. They aren't any good for defense at all unless you know
the attack is coming and the attackers don't know you know this
and you can get a shot at them, which usually isn't possible
except in the movies People who have them aren't interested in
defense, they are interested in dominating others with violence.

A while back I expressed the above observations to a fellow who carries
a concealed pistol. He laughed at and showed me the gun and
told me he could make me do anything he wanted.

So I kicked him in the nuts and took his gun while he was
lying on the ground whimpering in a fetal position, and threw it into
the bushes. I heard later that he was never able to find it.

If you are interested in defense, you get a shield of some kind,
not something that does only one thing: Kill people.

Couldn't agree more. You could post the 800 number for Roto-Rooter....

Being peaceful and loving doesn't mean that you have to be defenseless
or passive. It's okay to defend yourself if you stop short of brutality.
(meaning killing or permanently disabling someone)

LIttlefoot

 

fucking hilarious.