Do you deserve God’s condemnation?

Do you deserve God’s condemnation?

What sin has God condemned you for?

Why is God the only one who can forgive you?

It seems that just being born is enough to draw condemnation from God. Somehow, we are all born sinners. Whatever that sin is that we are born with, it must have been really bad to earn eternal punishment or death.
Scriptures themselves say that sin is not passed on so all babies have to pay for their own sins. They are condemned at birth. It could not be as Adam and Eve did because God said that they became as Gods. Exactly what the bible urges us to do. So that cannot be a sin.

Deuteronomy 24:16 (ESV) “Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin.

Ezekiel 18:20 (ESV) The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not suffer for the iniquity of the father, nor the father suffer for the iniquity of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself.

The declaration which says that God visits the sins of the fathers upon the children is contrary to every principle of moral justice. [Thomas Paine, The Age of Reason]
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Is there Original sin?

The Jews have no such policy in their myth. In fact, they show Eden as man’s elevation and not his fall.

What sin were you guilty of when born and which of your evil finite sins deserves infinite punishment?

Regards
DL

 

none really, and I refuse to pay for someone else's....

 

Good for you.
It would be quite immoral of you to pay for another's sin or crime.

We try hard to only punish the guilty and to accept an innocent victim for another's crime or sin would be against most legal systems.

Regards
DL

 

Original sin is to create life.

You quote from the OT but Christ was crucified (NT!) and in that, a new sin was created. The new sin (the sin) is: not accepting Christ.

Through Christ's crucifixion and resurrection we have a new Law: Forgiveness.

I see that you're still twisted and not facing in the right direction. You insist on excruciation, damnation, punishment .. when you should be focused on Christ, Forgiveness and salvation.

But keep an eye on Philosophy and Religion because I'm considering starting a new thread about current religious news. Important stuff, DL! And it's right up your dark alley since the news is ominous. muahahaha

 

WOW! Look who is calling some one else twisted. Righto!:juggle::dizzy2:

 

How will you get yourself into heaven? On your own merit or via a scapegoat?

Revisit substitutionary atonement or vicarious redemption and scapegoating with me just to refresh your memory.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNtBkOXItqw"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNtBkOXItqw

I am not an atheist but Satan and Christians want atheists to embrace barbaric human sacrifice and the notion that we should profit from punishing the innocent instead of the guilty. Scapegoating IOW.

In reality, if God did demand such a barbaric sacrifice, he would be sinning as we all know that it is immoral to kill the innocent. God knows this yet Christians do not seem to. You do. Right?

Those with good morals will know that no noble and gracious God would demand the sacrifice of a son just to prove it's benevolence. When you die, Satan will ask you; how was your ticket to heaven purchased? With innocent blood?

If and when you say yes, you become his.

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The other option in scriptures, a moral one, is shown here. 2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

Scriptures indicate that God prefers repentance to sacrifice and as God’s will is supreme and cannot be thwarted, this will come to pass.

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It is a special distorted Christian view of love that sees, --- as the greatest act of love possible, --- their God condemning them, and then turning and demanding his son’s deaths and thus corrupting God's perfect justice. A bribe set by God as judge himself for himself. This is of course ridiculous.

Christians have an insane view of love, IMO.

Would you express your love for humanity or those you love by having your own child needlessly murdered?

Or if convinced that a sacrifice was somehow good, would you have the moral fortitude to step up yourself to that cross instead of sending your child?

Your cowardly God did not.

Regards
DL

 

It seems like you're saying poor Jesus .. as if you're defending Him and wanting to fight off some maniacal, evil bad guy who sacrificed a good and innocent man. That's very loving of you.

But you also have a clear and certain hatred, and you yourself are the judge.

You put forth very human thoughts (which you share with many people and so, they are not solely your own). Don't you understand the resurrection? Or do you not believe it?

 

Gina

Do you believe that dead men can walk and talk?

Do you believe in talking snakes and donkeys?

Do you really believe that an intelligent God would ask you intelligent people to believe such crap. Why do you think the four main gospels do not speak of this wonder?

Put away the childish things and come be an adult.

Regards
DL

 

Lol!

 

Nice. Now fix that face.

Regards
DL

 

Be an adult, or do you want my dark side .. my hatred and my agony .. and a testimony of Godlessness .. in the name of reality?

 

the last i heard, gods have nothing to do with deserving.

 

Everybody dies.

Yawn.

 

Pressed Rat With Dreadlocks.... The World As We Know It Is About

To End...



Cheers Glen.

 

You do not know reality as you believe in tons of fantasy, miracles and magic.

Regards
DL

 

Correct. Right or wrong, God is always right and those that disagree are fodder for the fire.

Might makes right even when wrong. Christians would have it no other way.

Regards
DL

 

How will you get yourself into heaven? On your own merit or via a scapegoat?

Revisit substitutionary atonement or vicarious redemption and scapegoating with me just to refresh your memory.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNtBkOXItqw"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNtBkOXItqw

I am not an atheist but Satan and Christians want atheists to embrace barbaric human sacrifice and the notion that we should profit from punishing the innocent instead of the guilty. Scapegoating IOW.

In reality, if God did demand such a barbaric sacrifice, he would be sinning as we all know that it is immoral to kill the innocent. God knows this yet Christians do not seem to. You do. Right?

Those with good morals will know that no noble and gracious God would demand the sacrifice of a son just to prove it's benevolence. When you die, Satan will ask you; how was your ticket to heaven purchased? With innocent blood?

If and when you say yes, you become his.

-----------------------------------

The other option in scriptures, a moral one, is shown here. 2 Peter 3:9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.

Scriptures indicate that God prefers repentance to sacrifice and as God’s will is supreme and cannot be thwarted, this will come to pass.

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It is a special distorted Christian view of love that sees, --- as the greatest act of love possible, --- their God condemning them, and then turning and demanding his son’s deaths and thus corrupting God's perfect justice. A bribe set by God as judge himself for himself. This is of course ridiculous.

Christians have an insane view of love, IMO.

Would you express your love for humanity or those you love by having your own child needlessly murdered?

Or if convinced that a sacrifice was somehow good, would you have the moral fortitude to step up yourself to that cross instead of sending your child?

Your cowardly God did not.

Regards
DL

 

Well thus such condemnation may be trivial, or is this the answer you are waiting for. SUch condemnation from God exists by the commandments being self-realized within the fatality of mere Knowledge for the Laws by human Nature.

At least, I've heard of Egyptian psychiatrists claiming that. :sunny:

Human nature for having no Labels for fellow humanness.

 

I have gods judgement.

 

There are two ways for God's judgement of your irresponsibility for not performing your Duty. You didn't honour your Lord, or you sinned to deceive yourself in order to be Negative. That theory is only the ethics of what I already called resentment.
I prefer the ethics of foundationalism. Autonomously we are ethical beings who prove (question) the existence of God that way.:mickey: There is no judgement at the outset of fatalism/determinism needed (as there would be in some reduction).