do The US need a Workers Party?

Discussion in 'Activist Polls' started by political squaw, Nov 6, 2009.

  1. MaccaByrd

    MaccaByrd Member

    You mean like a Labour Party? See how that worked out for the Brits! =P
     
  2. Cuzin'

    Cuzin' Member

    We just need a good party. with good smoke. and cake.

    and ice cream.
     
  3. Macca and her good points :p indeed,

    the reason is at some point they stopped following the political tradition of the demorcatic socialists and adopted free-market tendencies. I am not sure if that was the "New Labour" project or not, but anyway it attracted a lot of middle-class voters and alienated the working class. So sadly it wasn't the working class party any longer. This also shows how a political party fails if it promotes a social theory instead of the working class interest. A theory can be easily used to manipulate, as what benefits the working class today will not tomorrow, because social factors change. Social democracy might seem good today, but once it is established it might turn out terrible for the working class, as we don't know what new social factors it may generate and how the ruling class will use them. So if I have a social democratic party and my goal is to protect the interests of the working class, in case social democracy no longer benefits it, I will have to run and change the name of my party, its constitution and bylaws lol What usually happens is such parties continue promoting that theory ("because, hey, it was a good one, right?"), but now they serve the interests of the ruling class.


    There is another one, SWP, Socialist Workers Party of Britain. They seem to follow the political tradition of the social democrats. I like how they reacted to The LIndsey strike (generated by BNP if I am not mistaken, British National Party), they opposed it. "British jobs to british workers" was the slogan of The Lindsey Strike. Such actions are basically racist if you think about it. "Take the jobs away from Italians, or Portugueses etc and give them to Brits, because we are brits and this is Britain, so gtfo and Ethnic Genetic Interest prevails!" <-- is what they mean. The problem is, it is not Italians (or any other ethnic group of immigrants) that got british workers into troubles, but the political system and economy that don't work well. So british employers cannot afford to pay more and british workers cannot afford to work for less. So such kind of strikes are purely reactionary and chauvinist. Which actually causes more damage than helps, because they are not directed to secure more jobs or at a pay raise, but to redivide jobs in favour of British workers. Okay, they won 102 jobs, so what? Can a brit worker have a decent life now? of course not, he will just get that ridiculous payment an italian immigrant was supposed to get. An italian immigrant would take that payment and go to Italy afterward, where he CAN survive, but a british dude? Result: nothing has changed for the better for the working class and 2 categories of the working class dudes (brits and immigrants) are now redivided and turned against each other, which actually benefits the ruling class, because the only way the working class can change social conditions is unity.

    Political Parties' Arena is confusing and it annoys the sh. out of me, because what is called democratic serves corporations and what is called labour serves capitalist interests lol no wonder a working class dude freaks out looking at all that, especially when they have a couple of minutes to watch the news and a couple more to think about what they have seen, the rest of time they struggle to make their living. And that's why a new party is needed to unite those dudes, protect them and inform them.
     
  4. chuckvidler

    chuckvidler Member

    communisim is only a viable meathod of kick starting a new economy not one that hase been raped and violated. plus you will get assasinated for pushing this idea lol
     
  5. whos talking about communism?
    oh, so you just want to save my life? lol sweet ty
     
  6. TheMadcapSyd

    TheMadcapSyd Titanic's captain, yo!

    No we need more free markets, not less.
     
  7. I am afraid it might make you homeless

    who will produce for those markets and buy from them? your people don't have money and keep losing jobs
     
  8. I definately agree tha the USA needs a Workers class party. I want to go into this in more detail, but my head's not working.

    Labour may have once upon a time reprosented the working class, but now it's nothing more then an advertisment.
     
  9. shermin

    shermin Bazooka Tooth

    ...seriously.

    i don't really think we need it...though i'm not a big fan of parties to begin with.
     
  10. neither am I. But supporting certain parties helps the working class to move political arena in a direction that benefits them.

    edit: did you read my reply in regards with British Labour party? It explains everything
     
  11. Lafincoyote

    Lafincoyote Member

    The workers in the USA need representation in our Government. Right now Big Money, as in large corporations, get the attention of both the Democrats and Republicans. Money talks, and lines politicians pockets, meanwhile the workers just keep on slaving away supporting all this baloney. Just keep watching your TV for further programming, and watch it alot, many hours a day! Don't learn how to grow your own food, or gather wild food. Just relax, as Big Brother will take care of you, so there is no need to be independent, or to establish a sustainable lifestyle that is in harmony with the planet! Do as you are told, and send the government your children so they can be programmed at the schools to be good citizens when they are grown, and even willing to lay down their lives in sacrifice for greedy corporate wars. Just be a good slave, ask no questions, and consume, consume, consume.
     
  12. yohooo

    thx for supporting this

    it really makes me happy
     
  13. Our government is not going to change soon, capitalist markets and the Democratic-Republican party will reign supreme. I'm not saying it's impossible to change the system, but it's highly improbable; Americans have a tendency of being conservative (although democrats like to say they're not...). A system that has been around for awhile, and has been effective for the most part will stick around for... uhm, well until the country's death sadly to say. With that said, I would like to say America substitutes knowledge and activism...for comfort and ignorance.
     
  14. MaccaByrd

    MaccaByrd Member

    Quote of the week.
     
  15. it has been effective, but it is not anymore. You cannot just change the system, it is not possible. Things change slowly step by step, when new solutions emerge it takes time for people to realize that they should accept those solutions, then they do and a change happens. You need to remove any political party that may openly benefit the upper class. Once you replace those parties with new ones, that officially benefit the working class, you will create the conditions in which it will be difficult for the upper class to manipulate your political arena, while they will be trying to find the ways to endorse their sneaky reforms, the working class will move forward to the new solutions
     
  16. put on yer tinfoil hats, people!
     
  17. makihiko

    makihiko Official hippie since 2005


    cake, and ice cream! you really know how to party!
     
  18. fromthatshow

    fromthatshow Member

    http://www.sp-usa.org/

    Socialism is a worker's party, and there's plenty of socialist action taking place in the US.
     
  19. machinist

    machinist Banned Lifetime Supporter

    now the shit has hit the fan in Greece...
     

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