Do people still believe 911 wasnt a inside job?

http://nhjournal.com/2011/04/05/gop-rep-to-target-catholic-church-tax-status/

scream that you are going to shoot the president and see how long it takes them to mow you down even if you are unamed.

Jennings spoke the truth about 911 and he is dead along with many others.

"free" speech is freedom to die due to unsanctioned government speech. (pun intended)

I am sure they will be happy to show you if you have the proper security clearance

 

you never did explain how those engines in that presumed plane was able to smack into 200 feet of cement after going through the exo to somehow magically exit without a hole?

how does that work again?





how did that happen without a hole big enough?

 

I guess the 'powers that be' gave him cancer.

I'm not quite sure what that has to do with tax/church/freedom.

Well, you said: 'and of course the tip of vert stab does not damage anything and the wing tip having much less mass and strength just slices right on through. ' - which isn't quite true, is it? How did you explain that again?

The hole that you are talking about is based on a false premise. It supposedly relates to a nose-cone - which we know is not accurate. For all we know part of the engine could have shot out of the side of the building. I dunno.
No planes hit the towers - so what are you concerned about, anyway. None of it happened.

 

Odon, let's start here: Do you believe that Iraq tried to prevent war?

 

no, you dont know anything about your presumptions, nada.

what I said is correct, if you think its not you have never been near a "real" plane. as in 757 or similar.

same goes with the engine you are blindly pulling at straws man. things simply do not work that way.

little tree branch is all it takes!

 

Perhaps. But it's a little difficult when you've destroyed documents others wish to see, and your strategy is based on obfuscation.

Where you said there was no damage - there is. Simple as that. Is it you or 'scorch' that is half blind?

 

I think you demonstrated what can happen if metal is poleaxed - rather than the impact being spread through out a wing.

 

What documents would those be, Odon, and what strategy are you talking about?

Ok, I don't want to get so far off topic, so if you wish to continue this line of discussion, I'll start a new thread called: Why the U.S. Attacked Iraq. I think it would be productive. What do you think?

 

The documents that showed what Saddam had and did not have. A paper trail of his regimes activates regarding the previous decade or so. One arm of his government believed he had and was capable of X and another believed he had and was capable of Y. Neither knew what Z had or were capable of.

Sure. Why not try a less biased title for the thread, though.

 

I still don't know what documents you're talking about. Could you post something containing them?

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A man named Jim Caddell, who refers to himself as “the Unrepentant Liberal,” compiled a list of quotes regarding Saddam's stockpiles of WMD and justification for U.S.-led military intervention in Iraq. The quotes, when placed in chronological order, tell the interesting story of how the U.S. government lied to the world as a thinly-veiled false pretext for war.

“Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction.”
~Dick Cheney, August 26, 2002

“Right now, Iraq is expanding and improving facilities that were used for the production of biological weapons.”
~George W. Bush, September 12, 2002

“Iraq has stockpiled biological and chemical weapons, and is rebuilding the facilities used to make more of those weapons...We have sources that tell us that Saddam Hussein recently authorized Iraqi field commanders to use chemical weapons -- the very weapons the dictator tells us he does not have.”
~George W. Bush, October 5, 2002


“The Iraqi regime . . . possesses and produces chemical and biological weapons. It is seeking nuclear weapons. We know that the regime has produced thousands of tons of chemical agents, including mustard gas, sarin nerve gas, VX nerve gas.
“We've also discovered through intelligence that Iraq has a growing fleet of manned and unmanned aerial vehicles that could be used to disperse chemical or biological weapons across broad areas. We're concerned that Iraq is exploring ways of using these UAVS for missions targeting the United States. The evidence indicates that Iraq is reconstituting its nuclear weapons program. Saddam Hussein has held numerous meetings with Iraqi nuclear scientists, a group he calls his “nuclear mujahideen” - his nuclear holy warriors. Satellite photographs reveal that Iraq is rebuilding facilities at sites that have been part of its nuclear program in the past. Iraq has attempted to purchase high-strength aluminum tubes and other equipment needed for gas centrifuges, which are used to enrich uranium for nuclear weapons.”
~George W. Bush, October 7, 2002

“If he declares he has none, then we will know that Saddam Hussein is once again...”
~Ari Fleischer, December 2, 2002

“The president of the United States and the secretary of defense would not assert as plainly and bluntly as they have that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction if it was not true, and if they did not have a solid basis for saying it.”
~Ari Fleischer December 6, 2002

“We know for a fact that there are weapons there.”
~Ari Fleischer January 9, 2003

“It appears to be a re-run of a bad movie. [Iraqi President Saddam Hussein] is delaying. He's deceiving. He's asking for time. He's playing hide-and-seek with inspectors. One thing is for certain -- he's not disarming.”
~George W. Bush, January 21, 2003

“Our intelligence officials estimate that Saddam Hussein had the materials to produce as much as 500 tons of sarin, mustard and VX nerve agent.”
~George W. Bush, January 28, 2003


“We know that Saddam Hussein is determined to keep his weapons of mass destruction, is determined to make more.”
~Colin Powell, February 5, 2003

“We have sources that tell us that Saddam Hussein recently authorized Iraqi field commanders to use chemical weapons -- the very weapons the dictator tells us he does not have.”
~George W. Bush, February 8, 2003

“So has the strategic decision been made to disarm Iraq of its weapons of mass destruction by the leadership in Baghdad?... I think our judgment has to be clearly not.”
~Colin Powell, March 7, 2003

“Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised.”
~George W. Bush, March 17, 2003

“Well, there is no question that we have evidence and information that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction, biological and chemical particularly . . . all this will be made clear in the course of the operation, for whatever duration it takes.”
~Ari Fleisher, March 21, 2003

“There is no doubt that the regime of Saddam Hussein possesses weapons of mass destruction. And . . . as this operation continues, those weapons will be identified, found, along with the people who have produced them and who guard them.
~Gen. Tommy Franks, March 22, 2003

“One of our top objectives is to find and destroy the WMD. There are a number of sites.”
~Pentagon Spokeswoman Victoria Clark, March 22, 2003

“We know where they are. They're in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad and east, west, south and north somewhat.”
~Donald Rumsfeld, March 30, 2003

“We are in the process of trying to liberate that country. And at the moment where the war ends and the coalition forces occupy the areas where those capabilities -- chemical and biological weapons -- are likely to be, to the extent they haven't been moved out of the country, it obviously is important to find them.”
~Donald Rumsfeld, April 9, 2003

“We have high confidence that they have weapons of mass destruction. That is what this war was about and it is about.”
~Ari Fleischer, April 10, 2003

After the “fall” on April 10, 2003
“When there happens to be a weapon of mass destruction suspect site in an area that we occupy and if people have time, they'll look at it.”
~Donald Rumsfeld, April 11, 2003

“I don't think we'll discover anything, myself. I think what will happen is we'll discover people who will tell us where to go find it. It is not like a treasure hunt where you just runaround looking everywhere hoping you find something. I just don't think that's going to happen. The inspectors didn't find anything, and I doubt that we will. What we will do is find the people who will tell us.”
~Donald Rumsfeld, April 17, 2003

“We are learning more as we interrogate or have discussions with Iraqi scientists and people within the Iraqi structure, that perhaps he destroyed some, perhaps he dispersed some. And so we will find them.”
~George W. Bush, April 24, 2003

“There are people who in large measure have information that we need . . . so that we can track down the weapons of mass destruction in that country.”
~Donald Rumsfeld, April 25, 2003

“He tried to fool the United Nations and did for 12 years by hiding these weapons. And so, it's going to take time to find them. But we know he had them, and whether he destroyed them, moved them or hid them, we're going to find out the truth.”
~George W. Bush April 25, 2003

“We'll find them. It'll be a matter of time to do so.”
~George W. Bush, May 3, 2003

“I'm absolutely sure that there are weapons of mass destruction there and the evidence will be forthcoming. We're just getting it just now.”
~Colin Powell, May 4, 2003

“We never believed that we'd just tumble over weapons of mass destruction in that country.”
~Donald Rumsfeld, May 4, 2003

“I'm not surprised if we begin to uncover the weapons program of Saddam Hussein -- because he had a weapons program.”
~George W. Bush, May 6, 2003

“U.S. officials never expected that 'we were going to open garages and find' weapons of mass destruction.”
~Condoleeza Rice, May 12, 2003

“I just don't know whether it was all destroyed years ago -- I mean, there's no question that there were chemical weapons years ago -- whether they were destroyed right before the war, (or) whether they're still hidden.
~Maj. Gen. David Petraeus, Commander 101st Airborne, May 13, 2003

“Given time, given the number of prisoners now that we're interrogating, I'm confident that we're going to find weapons of mass destruction.”
~Gen. Richard Myers, Chairman Joint Chiefs of Staff, May 26, 2003

“They may have had time to destroy them, and I don't know the answer.”
~Donald Rumsfeld, May 27, 2003

“For bureaucratic reasons, we settled on one issue, weapons of mass destruction (as justification for invading Iraq) because it was the one reason everyone could agree on.”
~Paul Wolfowitz, May 28, 2003

“It was a surprise to me then -- it remains a surprise to me now -- that we have not uncovered weapons, as you say, in some of the forward dispersal sites. Believe me, it's not for lack of trying. We've been to virtually every ammunition supply point between the Kuwaiti border and Baghdad, but they're simply not there.”
~Lt. Gen. James Conway, 1st Marine Expeditionary Force, May 30, 2003

“The coalition did not act in Iraq because we had discovered dramatic new evidence of Iraq's pursuit. We acted because we saw the evidence in a dramatic new light -- through the prism of our experience on 9/11.”
~Donald Rumsfeld, June, 2003

The CIA gave us bad intelligence.
~George W. Bush, July 11, 2003


“There are known knowns. These are things we know that we know. There are known unkowns. That is to say, there are things we know we don't know. But, there are also unknown unknowns. These are things we don't know we don't know.” ~Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld.

 

and there would be a 2a section every 16 inches separated by 22 inch window openings and that slicing would have caused instant atomization misting of any fuel that would have been there on impact.

these people (typically debunkers) who think the fuel laid around and flowed down whatever could not have graduated the 8th grade.

So there should have been an "instant" bright yellow orange fireball, not gray cement dust (just like a demolition) coming out first then turning to orange (just like a demolition).

 

I moved the discussion concerning why the U.S. attacked Iraq to the politics forum.

 

http://www.worldthreats.com/?p=94

http://nsarchive.files.wordpress.com/2012/06/iraqcolorscan.pdf

 

Is the fuel stored in the nose-cone of an aeroplane?

 

Odon,

What do you make of documentation of the U.S. being an accomplice to the guy they're accusing of wrong-doing?

http://www.commondreams.org/headlines02/0908-08.htm

Shouldn't someone have reported that shit to U.N.?

 

Didn't you already post that?

U.N. inspectors had identified many United States manufactured items that had been exported from the United States to Iraq under licenses issued by the Department of Commerce, and [established] that these items were used to further Iraq's chemical and nuclear weapons development and its missile delivery system development programs. ... The executive branch of our government approved 771 different export licenses for sale of dual-use technology to Iraq. I think that is a devastating record.
The U.S. Centers for Disease Control sent Iraq 14 separate agents "with biological warfare significance," according to Riegle's investigators

 

passenger plane, in the wings.

radar and some nav gear in the nose, the nose is usually about 1/2" thick fiberglass compound.

 

So a good 60-70 ft of aeroplane would smash into the building before the wings would? I'd say, at the speed the plane hit, it would take approx 3 seconds for 60-70 foot of plane travel from tip to wing.

Taking a look at a lot of the footage available, how long do you think it took for a bright yellow orange fireball to occur?

 

No, Odon, I did not already post that.

 

no it would be about .1 to .15 seconds for 60-70 feet.

the flash expansion rate of misted fuel is approx 2000-3000ft/sec dependant on how well its misted and mixed with the air. that for a "presumed" speed of approx 300mph

the fireball occurs immediately when the fuel tanks are ruptured.

in this case in the wings

note the mig does not burst into flames until the wing tanks are severed.