Do healthy vegetarians exist?

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  1. wiccan_witch

    wiccan_witch Senior Member

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    If eating meat is so healthy, as its proponents claim, why are so many meat eaters emaciated looking, ghastly pale year round, physically weak, or plagued with frequent colds and illnesses?

    Furthermore, why do so many meat eaters talk about their health, then eat loads of processed and packaged meat foods, stuff which is loaded with sugar and refined carbs, and just a lot of GMO beef and chicken laden junk food overall? That is not healthy, and to me totally negates any beneficial purpose of the meat diet. When I go to the supermarket I see so many packaged meat products that are marketed as being "natural" and "healthy," when in reality they are anything but. Yet so many people buy this shit thinking they're being health conscious. They are totally misinformed.

    Now I am not saying this goes for ALL meat eaters, but at least many of the ones I have known over the years, including people on this website. I do realize there are probably some VERY healthy meat eaters out there who really know what they're doing. But the thing is, many people who call themselves meat eaters do so for the wrong reasons -- either because it's trendy and they like the image associated with it, or they're sensitive when it comes to plants being farmed for food as they have been for hundreds of thousand of years -- and they don't know what they're doing, and they don't have a clue about what is really healthy and what isn't. Therefore, they are not really healthy, and probably shouldn't even be calling themselves meat eaters in the first place.

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  2. lively_girl

    lively_girl Member

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    I understand that you apparently function well on vegetarian diet.
    However not everybody's body needs and metabolism are the same.

    I would have liked to see the results of such research:

    1. 200 people, all heavy physical workers (construction workers, athletes,etc.) of approximately the same age, who are health conscious and have balanced mixed diet (with moderate amount of meat and animal proteins and healthy amount of fruit and vegetables).
    2. We test their body, mental fitness and work results.
    3. We put them on a vegetarian diet (the real, balanced one) for a year.
    4. We track their body, mental fitness and work results through the year and compare them to the initial test results.
    5. We conclude the research after a year.

    Tell me, what results do you expect?

    I expect a very small percent of the people will have better results, a bigger percent of people will have approx. the same results and the majority will have worse results, because of protein deficit and will report cravings for animal proteins as a consequence. A small percent of people will have much worse results, this percentage would be comparable to the first group.

    If you have seen the results of comparable research, please post link.

    I have a friend who has been a vegetarian for quite a few years now. She is very careful that her diet is balanced, but that took her a lot of education on the subject and discipline. She's a marathon runner, in great health and never craves animal proteins.

    I myself can live without animal proteins just fine, as long as I'm not very physically active. However, when I am doing a lot of sports, no amount of vegetables will give me enough protein. Since I like being active, vegetarian diet isn't suitable for me. To paraphrase: my body isn't suited to strictly vegetarian diet.

    Your post was a generalization based on your personal experience. Usually this type of deduction doesn't bring the most accurate results.
     
  3. themnax

    themnax Senior Member

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    certainly it is possible to eat a healthy well balanced meatless diet. it is not however an easy automatic thing that somehow magically happens by not eating meat. we are evolved from omnivours and it is in our nature to normally get some of our protien from meat. and yes, that does mean murdering other live forms, and yes they feel sadness and pain. but there is nothing unnatural for us to do so.

    however, yes it is possible to eat a healthy vegetarian diet. it just ISN'T as simple as not eating meat.
     
  4. Heat

    Heat Smile, it's contagious! :) Lifetime Supporter

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    In my opinion the real issue is that people need to educate themselves about nutrition and the requirements that our bodies have in order to maintain health, regardless of which lifestyle choice they make.

    It is the best way to maintain health and yet most people are not aware of daily requirements to optimize our health.
     
  5. Blue Meets Green

    Blue Meets Green Member

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    a very short list of vegetarian models;
    Angie Hill
    Carre Otis
    Christie Brinkley
    Christine Stone
    Claudia Schiffer
    Courtney Lamour
    Gail McKenna
    Jenny Blyth
    Kate Moss
    Kathy Lloyd
    Laetizia Scherrer (model & designer)
    Pamela Bordes
    Rachael Garley
    Victoria Cooper
    Yasmin le Bon

    A short list of vegetarian athletes;
    " B J Armstrong (US Basketball star)
    " Al Beckles (body builder)
    " Sorya Bonali (ice skater)
    " Les Brown (veteran runner)
    " Peter Burwash (tennis)
    " Andreas Cahling (body builder)
    " Chris Campbell (1980 world champion wrestler)
    " Joanna Conway (ice skater)
    " Sylvia Cranston (triathlete)
    " Sally Eastall (Marathon runner - UK No 2, vegan)
    " Di Edwards (runner, Olympic semi-finalist)
    " Cory Everson (bodybuilder, Ms Olympia 6 times)
    Chris Evert.
    " Kate FitzGibbon (Vegan) (poet & xcountry runner)
    " Clare Francis (sailer)
    " Louis Freitas (body builder)
    " Carol Gould (marathon runner)
    " Sammy Green (runner)
    " Sally Hibberd (British Women's Mountain Bike Champion)
    " Sharon Hounsell (Miss Wales Bodybuilding Champion)
    " Desmond Howard (formerly w/Washington Redskins, now w/Jacksonville Jaguars)
    " Roger Hughes (Welsh National Ski Champion)
    " David Johnson (BAA coach)
    " Kathy Johnson (Olympic Gymnast)
    " Alan Jones (British ski jumper)
    Scott Jurek ( Marathoner) (Vegan)
    " Jack LaLaine (Fitness guru) (vegan)
    " Tony LaRussa (Coach of Oakland Athletics)
    " Judy Leden (British, European & World Hang Gliding champion)
    " Marv Levey (Buffalo Bills Coach)
    " Carl Lewis (sprinter - vegan)
    Scott Jurek Marathoner - vegan
    " Jutta Müller (multiple Windsurfing World Cup Champion) Source: Flutlicht 95/6/18 on Südwest 3 (German TV program)
    " Jack Maitland (triathlete and fell runner)
    " Kirsty McDermott (runner)
    " Lindford McFarquar (body builder)
    " Robert Millar (cyclist)
    " Monika Montsho (weightlifter, 2 x runnerup GB Championships 60kg, NW woman weightlifter of the year 1991)
    " Edwin Moses
    Martina Navratilova
    " Paavo Nurmi
    Bailey Palmer (Kick Boxer)
    " Dave Scott (five time winner of the Ironman Triathlon) (vegan) "The New Laurel's Kitchen" cookbook
    " Jonathon Speelman (chess)
    " Lucy Stephens (triathlete - vegan)
    " Kirsty Wade (runner)
     
  6. bird_migration

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    Impressive, I will become a vegetarian now.
     
  7. fitzy21

    fitzy21 Worst RT Mod EVAH!!!!

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    No, they do not. Maybe in the physical sense, they can be perceived as being 'healthy,' but in reality, they're severely un-healthy.

    Choosing to not consume meat is a serious mental disease, and those who have succumb to that way of life are not to be trusted.
     
  8. Blue Meets Green

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    A short list of vegetarian writers / philosophers;

    Alan Moore
    Alan Watts
    Albert Schweitzer
    Alice Walker
    Amanda Feilen
    Benjamin Spock
    Berke Breathed
    Carla Lane
    Chandrashekar Subrahmanyam
    Charles Darwin
    Charlotte Bronte
    Clive Barker
    Colin Spencer
    Ed. Diana
    Emanuel Swedenborg
    Ferriére
    Franz Kafka
    George Bernard Shaw
    H.G. Wells
    Henry David Thoreau
    Henry Heimlich M.D.
    Isaac Bashevis Singer
    Jean Jacques Rousseau
    Jeremy Bentham
    John Robbins
    Krishnamurti Jiddu
    Leonardo Da Vinci
    Louisa May Alcott
    Mark Twain
    Milton
    Nikola Tesla
    Percy Shelley
    Peter Singer
    Plato
    Ralph Waldo Emerson
    Ruth Rendell
    Scott Adams
    Serge Raynaud de la Ferriere
    Sir C. V. Raman
    Sir Isaac Newton
    Socrates
    Srinivasa Ramanujan
    Steven Jobs
    Thomas Edison
    Tolstoy
    Upton Sinclair
    William Blake
    William Wordsworth
     
  9. AmericanTerrorist

    AmericanTerrorist Bliss

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    You posted. *blinks*

    Anyways... all I have to say about this thread is that people who eat healthy, truly healthy- whether they consume meat or don't eat healthy and meat eaters and non meat eaters alike also eat unhealthy. :leaving:
     
  10. lively_girl

    lively_girl Member

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    Blue Meets Green: interesting lists.
    What exactly were you trying to prove with them? That some vegetarians are gifted and successful?
     
  11. fitzy21

    fitzy21 Worst RT Mod EVAH!!!!

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    just posting the truth.

    had to be said
     
  12. Blue Meets Green

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    I was addressing the title of the post.

    First a list of 'healthy' vegetarians from a physical standpoint.
    Then a list of 'healthy' vegetarians from a mind side of things.
     
  13. lively_girl

    lively_girl Member

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    I'm sure there is a much greater number of healthy vegetarians than that :).
     
  14. Blue Meets Green

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    Some veg folks from the world of politics;

    Tony Banks (MP)
    Tony Benn (MP)
    Anne Campbell (MP Lab Cambridge)
    Harry Cohen (MP Lab Leyton)
    Chelsea Clinton (vegan)
    Viscount Craigavon
    Anne Gilman (Mayor of Islington)
    Dennis Kucinich
    Piers Merchant (MP Con, Beckenham)
    Bernard Weatherall (ex speaker of the House of Commons)
    Canadian MP (Member of Parliament) Mark Holland
    MP Ajax/Pickering (Ontario)
     
  15. Pressed_Rat

    Pressed_Rat Do you even lift, bruh?

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    Who cares?
     
  16. daisymae

    daisymae Senior Member

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    The list of omnivores is longer.
     
  17. I'minmyunderwear

    I'minmyunderwear Newbie

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    proof that vegetarians are terrible.
     
  18. Blue Meets Green

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    Says the doink who started the thread. - Oh yah - we established it was just about starting shit. Typical useless eejit - nothing to add to society so just make waves. What a sad sad story......
     
  19. NoxiousGas

    NoxiousGas Old Fart

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    You've been here less than a week, LOL. I really like the arrogance of that statement, like people should give a fuck if your tired of the flaming BS.


    Who says people who eat meat are threatened by the likes of YOU???? :rofl:

    Watch out everyone, we have a new "Big Man On Campus".
    :hide:

    Regardless of what anyone says on either side of the fence, fact is human beings are omnivores, plain and simple. We are designed to eat plant and animal matter, which is one of the primary reasons we evolved to the top of the food chain. To say otherwise is just ignorant.

    Now out of all this the thing I noticed that stood out was Acurella's posts because she mentioned specifically "raw vegetarians". I am far from an expert on the topic nor do I want to be, but from what little I do know, it appears that eating raw fruits and vegs where there is still cellular metabolism occurring, or other words, live food, is the most healthy way to pursue a completely vegetarian diet.
     
  20. machinist

    machinist Banned Lifetime Supporter

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    my girlfriend is a vegetarian, and she tried to order mozarella cheese sticks through the McD's drive thru
     

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