If eating meat is so healthy, as its proponents claim, why are so many meat eaters emaciated looking, ghastly pale year round, physically weak, or plagued with frequent colds and illnesses? Furthermore, why do so many meat eaters talk about their health, then eat loads of processed and packaged meat foods, stuff which is loaded with sugar and refined carbs, and just a lot of GMO beef and chicken laden junk food overall? That is not healthy, and to me totally negates any beneficial purpose of the meat diet. When I go to the supermarket I see so many packaged meat products that are marketed as being "natural" and "healthy," when in reality they are anything but. Yet so many people buy this shit thinking they're being health conscious. They are totally misinformed. Now I am not saying this goes for ALL meat eaters, but at least many of the ones I have known over the years, including people on this website. I do realize there are probably some VERY healthy meat eaters out there who really know what they're doing. But the thing is, many people who call themselves meat eaters do so for the wrong reasons -- either because it's trendy and they like the image associated with it, or they're sensitive when it comes to plants being farmed for food as they have been for hundreds of thousand of years -- and they don't know what they're doing, and they don't have a clue about what is really healthy and what isn't. Therefore, they are not really healthy, and probably shouldn't even be calling themselves meat eaters in the first place. :2thumbsup:
I understand that you apparently function well on vegetarian diet. However not everybody's body needs and metabolism are the same. I would have liked to see the results of such research: 1. 200 people, all heavy physical workers (construction workers, athletes,etc.) of approximately the same age, who are health conscious and have balanced mixed diet (with moderate amount of meat and animal proteins and healthy amount of fruit and vegetables). 2. We test their body, mental fitness and work results. 3. We put them on a vegetarian diet (the real, balanced one) for a year. 4. We track their body, mental fitness and work results through the year and compare them to the initial test results. 5. We conclude the research after a year. Tell me, what results do you expect? I expect a very small percent of the people will have better results, a bigger percent of people will have approx. the same results and the majority will have worse results, because of protein deficit and will report cravings for animal proteins as a consequence. A small percent of people will have much worse results, this percentage would be comparable to the first group. If you have seen the results of comparable research, please post link. I have a friend who has been a vegetarian for quite a few years now. She is very careful that her diet is balanced, but that took her a lot of education on the subject and discipline. She's a marathon runner, in great health and never craves animal proteins. I myself can live without animal proteins just fine, as long as I'm not very physically active. However, when I am doing a lot of sports, no amount of vegetables will give me enough protein. Since I like being active, vegetarian diet isn't suitable for me. To paraphrase: my body isn't suited to strictly vegetarian diet. Your post was a generalization based on your personal experience. Usually this type of deduction doesn't bring the most accurate results.
certainly it is possible to eat a healthy well balanced meatless diet. it is not however an easy automatic thing that somehow magically happens by not eating meat. we are evolved from omnivours and it is in our nature to normally get some of our protien from meat. and yes, that does mean murdering other live forms, and yes they feel sadness and pain. but there is nothing unnatural for us to do so. however, yes it is possible to eat a healthy vegetarian diet. it just ISN'T as simple as not eating meat.
In my opinion the real issue is that people need to educate themselves about nutrition and the requirements that our bodies have in order to maintain health, regardless of which lifestyle choice they make. It is the best way to maintain health and yet most people are not aware of daily requirements to optimize our health.
a very short list of vegetarian models; Angie Hill Carre Otis Christie Brinkley Christine Stone Claudia Schiffer Courtney Lamour Gail McKenna Jenny Blyth Kate Moss Kathy Lloyd Laetizia Scherrer (model & designer) Pamela Bordes Rachael Garley Victoria Cooper Yasmin le Bon A short list of vegetarian athletes; " B J Armstrong (US Basketball star) " Al Beckles (body builder) " Sorya Bonali (ice skater) " Les Brown (veteran runner) " Peter Burwash (tennis) " Andreas Cahling (body builder) " Chris Campbell (1980 world champion wrestler) " Joanna Conway (ice skater) " Sylvia Cranston (triathlete) " Sally Eastall (Marathon runner - UK No 2, vegan) " Di Edwards (runner, Olympic semi-finalist) " Cory Everson (bodybuilder, Ms Olympia 6 times) Chris Evert. " Kate FitzGibbon (Vegan) (poet & xcountry runner) " Clare Francis (sailer) " Louis Freitas (body builder) " Carol Gould (marathon runner) " Sammy Green (runner) " Sally Hibberd (British Women's Mountain Bike Champion) " Sharon Hounsell (Miss Wales Bodybuilding Champion) " Desmond Howard (formerly w/Washington Redskins, now w/Jacksonville Jaguars) " Roger Hughes (Welsh National Ski Champion) " David Johnson (BAA coach) " Kathy Johnson (Olympic Gymnast) " Alan Jones (British ski jumper) Scott Jurek ( Marathoner) (Vegan) " Jack LaLaine (Fitness guru) (vegan) " Tony LaRussa (Coach of Oakland Athletics) " Judy Leden (British, European & World Hang Gliding champion) " Marv Levey (Buffalo Bills Coach) " Carl Lewis (sprinter - vegan) Scott Jurek Marathoner - vegan " Jutta Müller (multiple Windsurfing World Cup Champion) Source: Flutlicht 95/6/18 on Südwest 3 (German TV program) " Jack Maitland (triathlete and fell runner) " Kirsty McDermott (runner) " Lindford McFarquar (body builder) " Robert Millar (cyclist) " Monika Montsho (weightlifter, 2 x runnerup GB Championships 60kg, NW woman weightlifter of the year 1991) " Edwin Moses Martina Navratilova " Paavo Nurmi Bailey Palmer (Kick Boxer) " Dave Scott (five time winner of the Ironman Triathlon) (vegan) "The New Laurel's Kitchen" cookbook " Jonathon Speelman (chess) " Lucy Stephens (triathlete - vegan) " Kirsty Wade (runner)
No, they do not. Maybe in the physical sense, they can be perceived as being 'healthy,' but in reality, they're severely un-healthy. Choosing to not consume meat is a serious mental disease, and those who have succumb to that way of life are not to be trusted.
A short list of vegetarian writers / philosophers; Alan Moore Alan Watts Albert Schweitzer Alice Walker Amanda Feilen Benjamin Spock Berke Breathed Carla Lane Chandrashekar Subrahmanyam Charles Darwin Charlotte Bronte Clive Barker Colin Spencer Ed. Diana Emanuel Swedenborg Ferriére Franz Kafka George Bernard Shaw H.G. Wells Henry David Thoreau Henry Heimlich M.D. Isaac Bashevis Singer Jean Jacques Rousseau Jeremy Bentham John Robbins Krishnamurti Jiddu Leonardo Da Vinci Louisa May Alcott Mark Twain Milton Nikola Tesla Percy Shelley Peter Singer Plato Ralph Waldo Emerson Ruth Rendell Scott Adams Serge Raynaud de la Ferriere Sir C. V. Raman Sir Isaac Newton Socrates Srinivasa Ramanujan Steven Jobs Thomas Edison Tolstoy Upton Sinclair William Blake William Wordsworth
You posted. *blinks* Anyways... all I have to say about this thread is that people who eat healthy, truly healthy- whether they consume meat or don't eat healthy and meat eaters and non meat eaters alike also eat unhealthy. :leaving:
Blue Meets Green: interesting lists. What exactly were you trying to prove with them? That some vegetarians are gifted and successful?
I was addressing the title of the post. First a list of 'healthy' vegetarians from a physical standpoint. Then a list of 'healthy' vegetarians from a mind side of things.
Some veg folks from the world of politics; Tony Banks (MP) Tony Benn (MP) Anne Campbell (MP Lab Cambridge) Harry Cohen (MP Lab Leyton) Chelsea Clinton (vegan) Viscount Craigavon Anne Gilman (Mayor of Islington) Dennis Kucinich Piers Merchant (MP Con, Beckenham) Bernard Weatherall (ex speaker of the House of Commons) Canadian MP (Member of Parliament) Mark Holland MP Ajax/Pickering (Ontario)
Says the doink who started the thread. - Oh yah - we established it was just about starting shit. Typical useless eejit - nothing to add to society so just make waves. What a sad sad story......
You've been here less than a week, LOL. I really like the arrogance of that statement, like people should give a fuck if your tired of the flaming BS. Who says people who eat meat are threatened by the likes of YOU???? :rofl: Watch out everyone, we have a new "Big Man On Campus". :hide: Regardless of what anyone says on either side of the fence, fact is human beings are omnivores, plain and simple. We are designed to eat plant and animal matter, which is one of the primary reasons we evolved to the top of the food chain. To say otherwise is just ignorant. Now out of all this the thing I noticed that stood out was Acurella's posts because she mentioned specifically "raw vegetarians". I am far from an expert on the topic nor do I want to be, but from what little I do know, it appears that eating raw fruits and vegs where there is still cellular metabolism occurring, or other words, live food, is the most healthy way to pursue a completely vegetarian diet.
my girlfriend is a vegetarian, and she tried to order mozarella cheese sticks through the McD's drive thru