Do Americans Accept Torture?

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It’s not my fucking fault if you are shown up to be a fucking liar or not very fucking good at fucking understanding fucking plain fucking English and then become such a fucking self-righteous fucking prick when fucking challenged.

But joshing aside - have you a legitimate point to make that is actually related to the subject of this thread?

 

Mel

That is why I spread the examples over the longer period from the revelations made about the School of the Americas going back to the 1950’s up to the present day report on the CIA. The point being that it doesn’t seem to have been just 2005.

I suppose the thing I’m asking is why – in the opinion of the Americans here – do so many of their fellow citizens seem to accept torture and institutional brutality?

 

dope

But that is why we have rules, regulations, laws and systems in place to limit people acting just out of fear.

Institutional brutality can only exist when those things are not present or have broken down.

And that can only happen if people accept such brutality. I mean prisons do not need to be brutal places.

 

We have rules and regulations not because people act out of fear but because people are afraid of an act that may befall them. It is a fear mitigation system producing a chimera of security.

 

I’m unsure what you trying to say - people don’t act out of fear but do inhumane things to people because of fear?

If rules and regulations reduce or stop brutality isn’t that a good thing?

 

Faux News...

 

I'm on the other side (the non accepting side) so your guess is as good as mine. If I did venture a guess I would say it probably has more to do with being a human being than being an American.

 

Mel

Some humans I'm sure but why has the US the largest prison population in the world and why are US prisons often cited as some of the most brutal in the developed world by such bodies as Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International?

But if you are against and would like to see it end wouldn’t it be a good idea to try and work out why, so it can be changed?

 

Prisons exist because people are afraid to invest themselves in the integration of the rough dealings into their lives. No prison nor fortress can keep you safe but a good lesson can give you an advantage.


Addressing the moment is sufficient.

 

the US has a large prison population due to draconian laws and for profit prisons.

in reference to your second question, i long ago gave up trying to figure out why some people are barbaric idiots. However, it doesnt matter because the change has already occurred. obama stopped the torture program early in his first term.

 

I have some really nice beachfront property I'd like to sell you...

 

Easy. The making of money---HUGE MONEY, by the 1% is the sole reason ANYTHING is done IN this country and that ANYTHING the US does is just OK. We working drones accept ANYTHING now because we don't want to rock our " boat" of supposed equality and fairness relative to our treatment from our bought and paid-for legislators.

This is what it's come to and I don't like it. Oh yeah---the bill just passed includes the fact that we, the taxpayers will now AGAIN--be responsible for bank bailouts when they make the SAME type of business "mistakes" that almost brought the world economy down under Bush. Thanks republicans. Hell, we can afford it. Some of those sonsabitches oughta' be under the jail. Come on in and defend them -suck-asses to the rich.



We'll accept seemingly ANYTHING as long as Hannity, Limbaugh, Weiner, ect , say that's what we should do. Don't believe me? Look back at the recent election.

 

I don't know they wolf down mcdonalds
seems it's relished

 

The real question should be "Is torture ever an acceptable means of obtaining information?", and the only rational response to that is a simple 'yes'.

The OP question can ONLY be answered correctly with the response of "Some do and some don't", which leads to questioning "Do X-Americans accept torture?", replacing X with Liberal, Conservative, Libertarian, African, White, Hispanic, Christian, Catholic, Muslim, Jewish, Asian, Southern, Northern, Eastern, Western, etc., and the response could then vary greatly should that groups survival be put to risk without gaining the information needed.

 

Mel

But isn’t the question why are they allowed to act barbarically. There are idiots and really smart people who given the chance would act barbarically, but they can only do it if they are allowed to get away with it.

 

That’s not a rational response

Many studies have concluded that torture isn’t very effective at obtaining useful information, basically the tortured give the torturer the information wanted by the torturer, I mean if the torturer asks where someone is and will not take ‘I don’t know’ as an answer, even though they don’t know, they are likely to give a response any response that is acceptable to the torturer so he stop inflicting pain. That’s the rational response.

“The report finds that CIA detainees subjected to what were then called “enhanced interrogation techniques” either produced no intelligence, or they “fabricated information, resulting in faulty intelligence”

That is why tortured people will confess to crimes they did not commit.

 

those who have usurped the political process seem to.

its also not a means of extracting information at all, but of false confessions only.

 

Political process?

If it is certain the person being interrogated possesses crucially needed information and refuses to willingly provide it, torture would/should be justified as a/the means of retrieving it.
In such instances it can be quite productive, provable, and if false information is given then torture will have been doubly justified.

 

Because of the holy "war on drugs" that has fuelled the system for more than 40 years. And failed to produce any results.

But I am pretty sure you wouldn't want to see the inside of a prison in, say, Kenya or Russia or - god forbid - North Korea.

On the other hand I really fail to see what the US prison system has to do with CIA black sites.

 

why was the CIA allowed to get away with torture? Torture they carried out with the blessing of the president and vice president? This is your question?


who do you propose should have stopped them?