Disgusting...

if we're so goddamn idiotic, why do you spend so much time complaining about us? why do you care so much, if we're such neanderthal simpletons?

 

This is funny... I'm actually trying to discurage my girl from loosing weight. she's a very healthy and attractive slightly plus sized girl ("Corn Fed" as us rednecks would say) and i love every bit of her.

 

Agreed. But while you and everyone else has every right to break up with someone for whatever shallow reason, that doesn't make it "right". if you really love him/her, you love them for who they are, not their looks. Not everyone will look good forever. No matter if you have the most beautiful woman in the world, someday she will be a senile old pile of wrinkles and alzheimers.

 

Okay a few things...
whether or not this article is supposed to be humorous, I don't find it that way what so ever. And people can go on saying "anyone who takes it seriously and follows this advice is an idiot to begin with"---that may be true, but that doesn't make it okay. To encourage a stupid person, to be even stupider, and even cruel isn't very useful to a functioning society.

It's just the same with girls that read cosmo about how manipulate a guy into doing stuff... LOTS of women take that stuff to heart, and think it's "sound advice"... and just because that might prove these women need a mind of their own, doesn't make it good for our world.

Most women and men that ARE intelligent won't even bother to read stuff like this in the first place... so the humor in it is probably rarely ever even recognized.

I have a pretty good sense of humor, but there are some things in this world, that need to be left alone. Sometimes humor only discourages any kind of progression on touchy subjects like sexual inequality, or racial issues.

Not to mention... even though this forum might have a pretty good chunk of intelligent individuals...most of the world is NOT so intelligent, and will read this kind of shit and take it literally. Many of our problems in the world are caused by things that stupid people take literally... the symbolism in the Bible for example, when taken literally causes a great deal of problems in our world...and I am not trying to start a fight by saying that, so please don't even go there with me.

Also..
in response to any men (or any women for that matter) who brought up how men get oppressed in the media or in magazines... that's true...but also NOT what the discussion was about. I get a little annoyed, because it seems as if whenever anyone wants to address an issue about something women have to deal with, it's right away glossed over and shot down with "but men have to deal with shit too!"--- well no shit. I would hope that we are all aware of that to begin with. But that doesn't mean that these separate issues shouldn't be addressed or looked over, just because men have shit to deal with too. I stand up for men, too, when I see or hear them being oppressed somehow... and when I do that, I don't sit there and chime in about all the crap I have to deal with as a woman. That kind of defeats the purpose of trying to address the issue...

if that makes any sense.

Can't a woman talk about issues with her period, without a man going "well we can have prostate issues too!" Thank you for sharing... I do care... but I wasn't talking about you, as it turns out.

If a woman talks about the social pressure to be thing, then a man might chime in about "well I am under pressure to not cry or show feelings"

and I really feel for men on issues like that... I think it's horribly wrong that our world puts that kind of pressure on ANYONE...

it's as if people are offended if someone wants to discuss a specific issue and then they have to bring up ALL this other crap to show that it happens to others... that still doesn't make it okay though!

Anyway.

and in reply to theacidpulp...oh come on. no one was saying that men were blithering idiots, so you clearly haven't understood anything being said here. Good god...another example of what I hate about whenever someone tries to address these kinds of issues. When people get defensive. No one here was blaming ALL MEN for this kind of behavior... so chill out!

 

Are you serious? Are you actually saying that people shouldn't write articles because some less intelligent people might take half the crap they say seriously, and the intelligent people won't bother with it? See the problem with that is that pretty much everything we read, watch on mainstream television, listen to on mainstream radio, from TV shows, to music, to television ads, to articles, to news stations, to advertising, etc etc etc etc , is all crap that is aimed for stupid people, trying to lead them into thinking that what they're trying to sell you is actually worth it.

yet, this magazine did it, so they're the bad guys. lol.. seriously. . .



the reason people don't know about half the crap that really goes on in the world around us is because of all the garbage that's thrown at us everyday. it's nothing new, nothing aimed only at women. It's aimed at the vulnerable, at kids, men, old folks, people who have dreams of becoming wealthy, etc etc etc ...


it's unfortunate, but it is the way it is. Cheap media works, and they'll keep doing it as long as they got people who buy into it, and thinking otherwise wouldn't get these companies to where they are today. in the meantime, it's not worth getting all worked up because a magazine writes a stupid article.

It's extremely unreasonable (in my opinion) to suggest that these types of articles shouldn't be written because stupid people might take them seriously.


Heck, imagine how many people joined the army cause of those super cool television ads portraying soldiers playing with all those pretty toys the government gives them...


you're absolutely right that women have many issues to deal, and men have their own shit going on. But we're on a forum to discuss these issues. nothing wrong with having an argument on this specific issue, coming from both sides of the fence. Maybe it'll make some men (and women) realize a few things they otherwise wouldn't realize had there not been differing opinions on this thread.

 

FREEDOM OF SPEECH
If someone wants to write a stupid article, and idiots take it seriously, that does not mean it should be banned, or even not written for that matter.

 

But, what if you do not love that person you are seeing?

Are you allowed to break up with them if the thing (whatever it is, insert here: tight body, money, played basketball together, shared romance novel discussions,...etc.) that had your interest is no longer present?

What if you cannot really quantify what it is that no longer interests you? Should you not break up on the chance that if it has to do with weight and thus would not be theright thing to do? Would it be not "right" then?

Note: Actually naming things as being "right" and "wrong" brings in morality and thus the choice of doing the right thing...

 

I'm very petite and skinny, however my guy is a BIG guy... I'd love him no matter how he looked.

 

That is your opinion and you are welcome to it.

But, if it is a joke then it isn't advice.
Otherwise...no Superman movies and no Spiderman movies. No X-Men because stupid people might think they can regenerate and shoot themselves as a result of it.
No three stooges.!
I see no encouraging going on. When such things are done subtly enough that people might take them seriously then it is an excellent satire, IMO.

But, are you referring to articles that really are about manipulating men or those that are making jokes? If the latter I will say reference the above again. If the former it is an invalid comparison because it is comparing a joke to actual suggestions being given.

I could argue that most stuff on TV is idiotic and that still most smart people end up watching a lot of idiotic stuff. So, I don't think there is any reason to think that smart people won't read it...

Where to begin...

Whether or not you have a good sense of humor is a completely subjective statement. So, it has no relevance to whether or not some things should be stated or "left alone".

Note the "sometime" before the bit about discouraging progression.

So, "sometimes" it does encourage progression rather than discourage it.

Making the statement by itself has nothing to do with whether or not this specific case of humor actually does discourage progression. I have seen no link made in the argument that this specific case discourages progression either.

And you know the rest of the world will take this seriously how?

Is not this forum of intelligent individuals reading the list?
Please reference the previous statement that says intelligent individuals will not read it...contradiction.

I am calling bullshit on this.

First, I am calling shenanigans on the statement made.

Second, I am calling shenanigans on the "don't even go there with me bit".

This is a forum where thoughts and ideas are compared and debated. So, basically you are using something to make a point and then say that you cannot be challenged on it. That is improper.

No complaints here.

Yes, it does.

:beatdeadhorse5:

Sorry, I couldn't pass that up. I have always wanted to use it.

Well, I think part of the reason has to do with a larger context. Sometimes these conversations are carried on in the context that society at large is slanted against women (that could be a huge topic by itself...) rather than of a single topic slanted against women being discussed at any given time. So, sometimes others wish to make the argument that society weighs heavily against both sexes (if not necessarily in the same way for each...) rather than society being pro-male and anti-female.

Note, I am not saying that is the context of this thread or even of topics in this forum. I am just saying that from experience others may (rightly or wrongly) see that as happening and respond by telling their story because they feel attacked because it may appear to them as boiling down to saying they have been priveleged to get what they have earned in life and therefore didn't really earn it. In fact, I also think the desire for people to tell the stories of their lives has a great deal to do with the popularity of many of the subforums here.

But, I agree that it shoud be kept to a minimum and not deviate from the topic.

You do realize that the tenor of the end of the post really does imply that you think about the poster what you say the poster says you (or perhaps not you specifically but the posters of the thread in general) are implying about men in general don't you? How can you not expect a defensive response?

 

I think we have miscommunicated here so let me try again.

I am not talking about no longer loving someone that you (in the general sense) once loved because of weight gain.

I am referring to someone that you (in the general sense) were merely dating or seeing but have not developed that greater attachment with that would be referred to as love.

Would it be wrong to break up with someone in that case?

Do we actually think the "list" was in reference to true love and was serious?

Note: I am just asking questions here out of curiousity.

 

this whole forum is a LOL and a half

 

I didn't necessarily say they shouldn't be written, still I don't see why anyone thought it was a great idea TO write it in the first place... like, WHY?

I am not stupid, I understand everything you're saying... that doesn't mean this article isn't in some ways dangerous or filthy... whatever.

 

If you're directing that at me... I never said that. So... yeah.

 

Oh thank ye mighty for giving me the permission to do so...

Wow... a little different kind of humor in every example you mentioned vs. this article... very flimsy comparison and examples given.

Who's to say who wrote this article was joking in the first place? None of us know that... and also, my points being made were rather the way people would receive the article... NOT what the article was intended for in the first place. I believe I began my statement with something to the effect of "whether or NOT it was for humor..."

And that was my point, as well, that whether or not it is for a joke, doesn't matter to me... it isn't helping anyone and it isn't productive IN MY OPINION...

Thank you for correcting the way I communicate, I really appreciate it
And it was relevant to me making the point that, I don't walk around with a stick up my ass 24/7, I am able to laugh about things, but things such as this article, aren't things that I think deserve a good "har har" over.

Yeah, actually I meant exactly what I said. Sometimes I think humor encourages progressive behavior and, I think sometimes it does not. And in the case of this article, I don't see how it encourages any thing productive, or positive.

You really need to get off your high horse. Really. I can't even BELIEVE the way you amongst others have reacted towards my statement as if I was personally attacking anyone here or saying that I don't encourage "freedom of speech" fucking ridiculous. Everything I said, was meant to point out how utterly useless and disgusting the article was. Everything I said was meant to show how no matter if the article was meant for humor, or literally some guy's opinion... it's not productive, and not cute.

To me.

I don't know how in the hell what I said about something that many women here and elsewhere OBVIOUSLY felt strongly opposed to, was taken to such offense. Fucks sake.

Because I wasn't trying to start a debate about a completely different topic. Don't tell ME what is proper or improper. I think I can handle my own just fine.

I think he and other men might have taken it personally when it shouldn't have been. Just because someone disagreed with an article written by a man, doesn't imply that she, or anyone else here, is disgusted by men as a whole..

I'm confused as to why a discussion about an article that was written by one person, would indicate that the women here that disagree with the article, are attacking all men.

I'm confused as to why anyone would take an opposition to this article, offensively, period...

I am honestly sorry if I came off like a bitch in this post, but I found 90% of your responses very condescending. I'm sure you're a quite fine person... but if you disagreed with me, you could have went about it in a way more humble manner.

Thanks.

 

Quite obviously EVERYTHING I said was taken completely out of context, and beaten to death... even though I was giving my simple opinion and perspective on it, nothing more nothing less.

Never once did I say that the article should be "banned" or "never written" I do not think it was a productive article TO write... I do not think it served any real purpose, but I never ever said that it should not be "allowed" to be written, so please, next time you read a response, actually READ what was written, rather than spicing it up your own way and completely twisting my words.

 

yes, that's it. You're not wrong, no; its everyone else. we're all out to get you.

 

oh no, guise. its a DANGEROUS article... wear your blinders or you might get a papercut.

 

just imagin how embarrassed you'd feel if you broke a chair

my boyfriend would probably tell me..

but he wants me a bit bigger.. im not goin to though...

some men can be assholes...

imagine the losers who actually use these tips

 

those are terrible! D:
i don't care if its a joke or not!