You're absolutely correct Unfortunately carbon-14 is only reliable for dating objects up to 60,000 years old. But the same principle applies to other isotopes as well, such as Potassium 40 which has a half-life of 1.3 billion years. Uranium 235 (704,000,000 years) Uranium 238 (4.5 billion years), and Thorium 232 (14 billion years) The Earth is 4.6 Billion years old, and the Bible Thumpers, well they're simply old news Hotwater
Interestingly, you and I do believe in fire-breathing insects and we have no problem with that at all. The Bombardier Beetle has to be the most amazing animal I ever heard about. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombardier_beetle Hmm. I dont know if we are getting into terminology but it does appear some of our Dinos are reptiles. Crocs for example are Dinosaurs but we are told have survived and not changed at all. Some other Megafauna we are finding dont necessarily seem to be 'reptiles' so that makes it more interesting to speculate I guess. One of the good facts in the Hovind video is that he does remind people that reptiles are a bit different than other critters in one curious respect - They keep growing all their lives. Well at least as long as they are healthy and have room and food to grow heh. Interestingly to that point is that Genesis (and other ancient texts) record people as living long lifespans. Doesnt say Lizards did but I suppose they would keep growing as long as they did. I have also seen some evidence thrown about that suggests pteras 'appear' to have a sort of structure that would indicate a different atmosphere. Its a problem for those who are using select dating methods (the ones that give certain rocks certain long ages) because a different atmosphere would change everything on those 'dates'. It could be a validation for those who buy the Genesis account. This account implies there has been dramatic changes to the atmosphere, changed during Noahs cataclysm. For example, the author records there was no rain but instead the earth was watered by mists that came up from the ground. During the Cataclysm some sort of atmospheric calamity happens (it doesnt detail it) but it caused torrential rain. This could also explain some things. If indeed the atmosphere is different after the flood then its entirely possible to expect an animal like the Pterodactyl is no longer efficient as it was before. Either way they are extinct now.
I readily admit the lack of my knowledge; I am neither scholar nor a wise man. But the essence of the Bible, in my humble opinion, is in the Jesus’ words: the Kingdom of Heaven is inside you. However, it seems that you are looking for it somewhere outside. And I have no idea how archaeology could prove the authenticity of the words of God in the book of Job, unless they have been imprinted somewhere in the fossils. Enough said. Needless to say there is an unbearably bad logic here. I wouldn’t care about that, but you permanently insist that you have a proof. I am fond of any irrationality, but it can’t prove anything.
Alexander the Great? Attila the Scourge of God? Genghis Khan? Count Dracula? Seriously, all these phrases can be applied to many phenomena, so to speak) The same can be said about biblical prophecies and why they “come true”.
The Bibe has many proofs and that is what I was pointing out. I stated that SOME of the major Bible stories are being proven. The Red Sea Crossing which speaks of the Children of Israel being saved by God when the sea was parted is one example. They have found that spot, and they have found the coral incrusted remains of Pharoahs army. They have also found extra Biblical writings chisled in stone that tell the same story in that area. Also the crossing site was marked by two 18 foot granit pillars. And since I fully believe the Bible, I have no problem believeing the stories written there in.
Really eightsixed you really need to read the full text of the passages before you comment. I don't see how you can call a Behemoth, or a Leviathan, Alexander the Great or Count Dracula. Yet if you really don't want to believe the Bible I suppose you will grab for anything. If you only read one verse at a time which appears to me, that is what you are doing, then yes, it could be applied to many phenomena. Yet if you read the full text, you are left with few options.
Well the problem is there is little left of a dinosaur to suggest how their inner workings, worked. There have been some recent findings which show chambers in some dinosaurs skulls which some scientist suggest may of been mixing chambers for chemicals. We know that there is today the famous Bombardier Beetle which sprays out a mixture of hot gases and noxious fumes at a Temp. of 212 deg. at his enemies. So the idea of such a thing in nature would not be impossible. Also, we have many eye witness acounts from all over the world speaking of fire breathing dragons, but scientist have written them off as all mythical. When you have so many accounts coming in from so many places around the world, and describing the same thing, I tend not to write them off so quickly. And when you have Biblical accounts also backing up those accounts, then I believe there must be something to it.
That's a very good overall assessment...by no means conclusive proof that some dinosaurs breathed fire or lived alongside man, but still a well stated opinion.
Good for you Just give me a link to those chiseled writings or the information about it, please, if you have one. And, well, you have dodged my question about the book of Job. I’ve read the book of Job several times. And it is not me who reads one verse at a time, but you who presented to us those verses. I just replied to your selected verses, nothing more, and I really don’t understand what’s wrong with it. If you don’t want to bear a little irony, okay. That chapter about leviathan, from which you cited, cannot describe a dinosaur, in my opinion, at least because of an aesthetic reason. But, putting aside my subjective aesthetic preferences, what do we see there? A sea dragon, a mythical creature. And if you really want to prove that this was a real reptile, you must explain, among other things, how come a reptile or dinosaur could spew fire. In short, please explain to me these verses: By his neesings a light doth shine, and his eyes are like the eyelids of the morning. Out of his mouth go burning lamps, and sparks of fire leap out. Out of his nostrils goeth smoke, as out of a seething pot or caldron. His breath kindleth coals, and a flame goeth out of his mouth. In any event, this description is very vague and inexact and for this reason alone cannot be ascribed with certainty to any living creature. Can you tell me, for example, how many limbs does it have? Also I’d like to draw your attention to Psalm 74:14, which clearly says that leviathan had not a head, but heads. Of course, it would be fine if you mentioned the exact scientific name of the described animal. As I said, there could be more questions about it, such as why dinosaurs weren’t able to turn sorrow into joy (Job 41:22) just before their disappearance
Okay, I see… Look here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leviathan The theory about the Parasaurolophus is intriguing and different than others presented because it attempts to explain the Biblical prose regarding fire-breath. Essentially, the idea is that through a chemical reaction similar to the one that occurs in the Bombardier beetle, a Parasaurolphus combines elements located in different parts of its crest to create a combustible gas. However, the theory fails to take two crucial points into account in that the heated compounds would have scorched and injured the throat and or nasal passages of Parasaurolophus, and that Parasaurolophus does not fit the description of Leviathan in the Book of Job at all (e.g. it doesn't look anything like a winding serpent or a gargantuan whale). Some scientists suggest one thing, others disagree… As usual. Again, this has nothing to do with proof. So tell me about gnomes and aliens. Do they believe in Christ?
Humans couldn't have evolved in the present form in a high oxygen atmosphere. So that doesn't add up simply on those grounds. As for the flood, it is a myth, nothing more. It is incredible that intelligent people can believe such nonsense.
In theory, humans (or anything else) could not have evolved since we dont know of any mechanism by which new information would be able to create itself. We do know loss occurs though. But the high oxygen content would not have anything to do with this. Im not even sure where you think that would go towards anything in this in the first place. But just to get some logic in order for you: It actually would 'add up' if you are suggesting that evolutionism did not happen in antedeluvian times. Exactly, The Genesis account doesnt require that. Assertions and bewilderment.
It is simple. Perhaps too simple for some - the higher oxygen content of the early atmosphere meant that more oxygen was available to living creatures, and this led to development of forms which would now be impossible. Humans could not have come into existence under such conditions. Very probably, in the near future, humans will have changed the balance of atmospheric gases to a point where we too will cease to exist. Perhaps someting better and less disfunctional will then evolve.
Wikipedia? Is that the best you could do? This is the most liberal site you could find on the net. Do you really think you will get the real deal here. Wikipedia (latin for crack house) check out this link. http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia And if you trust Wikipedia, then you would love the Air Forces Project Blue Book to explain UFO's
Here are some of those links. http://bibleprobe.com/exodus.htm http://www.bibleplus.org/discoveries/mtsinai.htm http:www.arkdiscovery.com/red_sea_crossing.htm http://www.libertypost.org/cgi-bin/readart.cgi?ArtNum=144531 Out of his mouth go burning lamps,and sparks of fire leap out. His breath kindleth coals, and a flame goeth out of his mouth. I don't have a problem understanding what is being stated here. And it would appear to me they would spew fire as a defense, many stories of dragons of the past had this ability, and used it as such. The very mention that its tail is the size of a cedar tree sould tell us that this creature was the size of a dinosaur. Now if you believe this is just a myth, then there is little you could believe about the Bible. Because who is to say where the myth ends, and the truth begins. I never said there was historical evidence for the story of Job, I said there was supporting evidence for a number of stories found in the Bible. And you can see that evidence in the links given. Yet the size of the beast described in Job would line up with the size of dinosaurs, and it would be hard to fathom what other beast could be of this size. Certainly nothing walking the earth now days.
Dont want to get off topic here but Wikipedia does make me cringe sometimes. The funny thing is that I love the idea and it really is helpful and many times does outdo a publishers encyclopedia (also subject to opinions and bias if you think about that) Ahh but Wikipedia is a bad/good example of where 'majority' can gangbang minority if they so choose. I noticed about a year ago the 'pro-evolutionism' and 'anticreationism' webmaster caught on to 'search engine stacking' in a big way. (geeks will know what that means) At around the same time they figured out to commandeer wikipedia articles as well. So, for example if you Wikisearch 'Intelligent Design' you will find a page thoroughly dominated with objections 'corrections' and overwhelming information to the contrary as well as 'dishonest' additions constantly being interjected. Example; someone will show up daily to add "... and 'scientists' now reject this theory" Even if its corrected it might say "...and almost all scientists have rejected" So anyways, not just sitting here ragging on Wiki (which is great overall) but I really do think you help yourself by being 'aware' what you are looking at sometimes. Yes, its true that most of the 'religious' related articles seem to be entirely dominated by 'liberal' theology. I notice that so many are now trying to put 'false distinctions' inside them and create imaginary 'disagreements' between made a made up group called 'literalists'. As if you have a 'choice' between 'two sides' etc. Ok well back to Dinosaurs... Did anyone check out that youtube seminar by Hovind? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sgHK_NDkAyY
No, I don’t trust Wikipedia. But, unfortunately, after your illogical dodging postings here I trust your even less than Wikipedia. Incidentally, you didn’t say anything about multiheaded leviathan mentioned in Psalm 74. How do you explain this? I am very interested. I guess you would in no circumstances give credence to a liberal, but readily accept any balderdash from your fellow Christians. By the way, I am happy to tell you that I am not a liberal, although it doesn’t matter now. Well, but I knew some Christians who were liberals at the same time. What about them, eh? As for Project Blue Book, it’s nothing. But I am curious to hear your own opinion about UFOs. It would be offtopic, though.
Living dragons again? I am afraid I am giving in Have pity!!!! The Bible was written by people. And as with any other book, every biblical verse must be verified by practice. I do believe Jesus and King David, for example, because their words have been helping me to live. It’s quite simple, I think. As for leviathans, why should I believe in their existence? Will this belief support my spiritual growth? How come? But you, you are saying this without even a little hesitation Do you think myths are useless? Probably I misunderstood you, sorry. And thank you for the links.
If the Bible was a mixture of stories of myths and legends there would be room to believe whatever. Yet, I donot believe the Bible has any myths in it at all. I believe it was written by men that were inspired by God, and the Bible tells us that God is not the author of confusion. If God placed myths together with truth, He in fact would be the author of confusion. When God makes blanket statements in His Book, even when they seem really over the top, you can be sure that information is accurate. God tells us the wisdom of this world is foolishness to Him. Even as a Christian I have seen God take an impossible situation and make it possible, because thats the kind of God He is. I actually think God enjoys confounding mans preception of things. And perhaps that is why God tells us not to lean on our own understanding, but in all ways acknowledge Him.
