Did Trump Incentivize Laziness With The CARES Act?

Discussion in 'Politics' started by walkoflife, May 13, 2020.

  1. walkoflife

    walkoflife Some Assembly Required Staff Member Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator HipForums Supporter

    With unemployment across America growing rapidly, the economy will undoubtedly open up soon regardless if COVID-19 is "tamed".

    One component of the CARES Act was to give individuals a $600 a week boost to their unemployment checks until July. Many expect this to either get extended until January 2021, or at least several more months.

    What incentive does an $8.25/hr clerk or hell, even a $14/hr laborer have to return to work? Yes, I am aware you can get booted from UI if you reject work. For small businesses with employees who are like family, however, it would be easy to "game the system".

    On top of that, another $1,200 is on the table (or $2,000/month for six months, depending on which media outlet you follow).

    Although the CARES Act was good for many, I can see this turning into a nightmare quickly.
     
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  2. soulcompromise

    soulcompromise Member HipForums Supporter

    For me I think the best solution is to increase the amount of money flowing into the economy via stimulus and prolong the shutdown.


    This is a quote that I felt would stimulate thought or convey my position:
    from Social Problems: Continuity & Change. 2.6 Reducing Poverty – Social Problems

    I feel that many in our society are suspected of being lazy, and that the suspected "laziness" is believed to be the core issue of why people accept welfare or why they remain unemployed. I think the view that the poor are lazy is myopic. That isn't the reason why people don't want to work.

    But back to the topic. I believe right now we need more of it. Matters of our national values and moral fortitude can wait for now.
     
    Last edited: May 13, 2020
  3. Dax

    Dax Members

    Many people I've met, especially those who work for a boss, don't require any incentive to be lazy.
     
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  4. erofant

    erofant Members

    Can anyone assure that there are NO lazy people?? Most people are NOT, in fact, lazy. They want something to do, they want the dignity of pulling their own weight, and they want to feel the pride of accomplishment. Will there always be some that are lazy? Yes - but do you make the vast majority of society suffer hunger, loss of housing, insurances, etc. because of a small percentage of lazy people? What would be the bigger tragedy - the resulting chaos / violence / anarchy / meltdown of society if everyone had NO money ……………...or having some lazy people get a check? Which would have the longest - lasting negative impact??

    At a time such as this, the main things are two-fold …….. stop the spread of corona virus by taking steps to mitigate it, and ………… keep people fed and sheltered. Immediate priorities/necessities overrule future wants and desires. Other matters can be sorted out later. Priorities, brother ………… priorities.

    And contrary to what some believe - laziness knows NO BOUNDS in regard to race, color, national origin, religion, economic status, neighborhood one lives in, etc. I've known numerous lazy white people in managerial positions - so put away the broad brush of blame. I'm white BTW.
     
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  5. We've seen nearly all of the government social programs abused beyond all reason. And not just by recipients but also government workers, grocers, strip clubs and casinos.

    I'm of the opinion that assistance programs should have more obvious controls. But even when they catch the scofflaws, nothing much seems to happen. There was a convenience store in the Atlanta area that did over $3 million per year in food stamps. This was like a gas station with vending machines and a guy in a cage selling cigarettes. Instead of running them out of town, the locals lament the government for shutting them down.

    But who can blame them when there are already so few stores around them. But that's another issue.
     
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  6. soulcompromise

    soulcompromise Member HipForums Supporter

    But are we characterizing people on government assistance as scofflaws by default? Or maybe it's grocers...

    In either case I don't find them at fault for this circumstance. What we learn in school (I know... as I drone on... :D) is that there are some inconsistencies at play that significantly impact poverty. Inequalities that are behavioral as much as they are systematic.

    I think that to blame the poor for being poor is a mistake is all I'm saying.

    What you're saying about the availability of adequate grocery stores is very very true. I live in a place where at least there's one grocery store. You can barely count the number of liquor stores and food trucks... It's a problem. I drive a couple of blocks to Whole Foods or go to my members only big box store. But not everyone can.
     
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  7. My only take on this is that people who game the system are stealing from people who really need it. I'm not making a statement about the poor, none of them are stealing millions of dollars from the government.
     
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  8. Balbus

    Balbus Super Moderator Staff Member Super Moderator

    Panic


    Can you please back this up

    Can you give the evidence
     
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  9. Balbus

    Balbus Super Moderator Staff Member Super Moderator

    Panic

    What controls?
     
  10. Balbus

    Balbus Super Moderator Staff Member Super Moderator

    Walk

    Can you back this up in any way?

    I mean I know it is a well-known position amongst right wingers that poor people are always out to scrounge off public assistance but when looked at that doesn’t seem to be the case so, I’m wondering why you think this will happen?



    Study: More Than Half a Trillion Dollars Spent on Welfare But Poverty Levels Unaffect
     
  11. walkoflife

    walkoflife Some Assembly Required Staff Member Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator HipForums Supporter

    It was more or less a matter of opinion (the first sentence), but in many ways, there is truth to this. If I brought home $380 a week after taxes prior to the pandemic, and receive 65% of that + $600 until July (or possibly longer), what is stopping me from not going back? Maybe I'm still scared of the possibility that I will contract the virus....see what I'm saying?

    Can I back up the fact you will get booted from UI if you reject work (outside of COVID-19 concerns)? Absolutely. Especially if your employer reports you to the state UI office.
    Can I back up the fact that small businesses would do anything to help the very people that have been there for them, that built them up? I'm one of them who works for a small biz, and have for over 22 years. That qualifies me to at least give an opinion based on my experience.

    So other than that, I'm lost at to what I need to "back up".

    In no way did I assume that those living at or under poverty level were "milking" anything. I simply stated that, in a roundabout way, people could take the $600 being doled out on unemployment and may find little incentive to make less until the pandemic is officially cleared.
     
  12. Balbus

    Balbus Super Moderator Staff Member Super Moderator

    Walk

    OK so when you said ‘game the system’ you meant be prudent and sensible and not open up before the pandemic is officially cleared.

    Is that it in which case it seems like a strage use of that phase .But thanks for the clarification.
     
  13. walkoflife

    walkoflife Some Assembly Required Staff Member Lifetime Supporter Super Moderator HipForums Supporter

    It was probably an inappropriate phrase for the message I was trying to convey.
     
  14. unfocusedanakin

    unfocusedanakin The Archaic Revival Lifetime Supporter

    None but rather then hate social programs you should see this as evidence that $8.25 is not enough and there should be no job paying that. Sadly the right wing has already decided that it's OK if they get money they are temporally remembered. It's those lazy people who are laughing all the way to the bank. If they don't like the job just fine a new one.
     
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  15. wrat

    wrat Member

    Utter and total crap the MAJORITY of people are LAZY as fuck hardly anyone wants to work and certainly not to work hard ...... " And contrary to what some believe - laziness knows NO BOUNDS in regard to race, color, national origin, religion, economic status, neighborhood one lives in, etc"
    That much is absolutely true
     
  16. wrat

    wrat Member

    Actually there were a few articles about this one from a coffee shop where the employees were refusing to return because they made more money on unemployment
     
  17. Balbus

    Balbus Super Moderator Staff Member Super Moderator

    Wrat

    Where are they?
     
  18. Balbus

    Balbus Super Moderator Staff Member Super Moderator


    Can you back this up?
     
  19. Balbus

    Balbus Super Moderator Staff Member Super Moderator

    Wrat

    I mean think about this forum - people are not getting paid to post here – I and many others do a lot of research when contributing to it – time and effort go into it.

    If people are so lazy why would they do that?

    My wife has just taken on a lot more work for no extra pay because it is communal project that will help people’s lives I know hundreds of people that are doing other community work while carrying on working. Virtually every person I’ve known who has been on benefits would like a job for money yes but also ‘for something to do’’ because life on the dole is boring and no fun.

    Is this projection – that you and the people you know are all lazy and wouldn’t lift a finger if they didn’t have to - so that is how you see everyone else?
     
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  20. wrat

    wrat Member

    This forum is entertainment like all social media looking up things and reading is NOT difficult not even close, your wife is an aberration not typical sorry , I used to support dozens of small businesses and the common thread I would hear is no one wants to work.

    Bitter Taste For Coffee Shop Owner, As New $600 Jobless Benefit Drove Her To Close
     

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