Did Holocaust Really Happen?

Angel


“if somebody was across the road killing your neighbor, and you saw him seconds away from putting the knife into her heart...would you just shut up about it or would you use every last minute you had to go outside and yell your lungs off about it, even if the power you have to stop it is pretty minimal.”


But you can only assert there is a conspiracy you cannot prove there is one. I mean all the so called evidence that I’ve seen here has been only supposition, innuendo or opinion, not proof positive.

So your scenario doesn’t fit.

Something closer would be –

Your neighbour disappears and you claim that she has been murdered, you tell people that the last time you saw her she was with some strange men and was ‘forced’ into a truck with them.

The police investigate and discover that the truck was owned by a home removal company the men were employees of said company and your neighbour had been located in her new home in Tulsa.

You reply by saying the removal company is owned by Jews so can’t be trusted, the police are well known tools of the shadow government and the woman in Tulsa isn’t really your neighbour just someone that looks a lot like her.

You tell everyone about the conspiracy and tell everyone that something must be done, and then call everyone that doesn’t believe your story an idiot.

 

"You reply by saying the removal company is owned by Jews so can’t be trusted"

yeah balbus...good try but i've never said anything to that degree.

 

LOL, Ok lets say a Zionist then, who just happens to be Jewish.

Oh and I take it that since that is your only complaint that you agree with the rest of what I said.

 

Balbus, what is your beef with me man? it seems like everything I say you just wanna make fun of. I am not one of the "Zionist" conspiracy theorists. I don't think Zionists are in control of everything and I never try to blame jews or zionists for the problems in the world. I would love for you to show me a post of mine where I said anything of the sort. All I think is that 911 was an inside job, they are bringing in national ID cards for all American Citizens, There is a North American Union coming, and our government is in control by SOME kind of force which has lots of money and funds them. If saying Lord Rothschild or the Rockefellers are in lots of control of our government is Antisemetic, then I guess I am, but these people have admittidly said they want to dismantle our nation.

 

Angel

“Balbus, what is your beef with me man?”

You push conspiracy just like a smack dealer pushes oblivion.

I’m a left winger and it seems to me that virtually all of the conspiracy theories that have appeared here have a right wing slant that I dislike (although many try to hid the fact).

Also many of them seem to have a racist slant that I also dislike (although many seem to hid the fact).

They also seem to be about trying to fill peoples heads full of shit so they can’t think straight and I hate that as well.

And also there seems to be a certain futility being taught by them, they seem to be about doing nothing because there really is next to nothing that can be done to counter the all powerful conspiracy and I hate that as well.

For example why the Rothschilds? I mean what supports your idea that the Rothschild’s are somehow in control of the US government (or even the world)?

What do you mean by “SOME kind of force”?

What does national ID cards or the NAU have to do with a conspiracy involving the Rothschilds?

As to the 9/11 being an “inside job” I’m all for an honest and open investigation, but so far the ‘evidence’ that it was conspiracy, rather than fuck up, seems rather tenuous, being based virtually totally on supposition, innuendo and opinion.

The problem is that to many conspiracy junkies supposition, innuendo and opinion becomes ‘truth’ and to point out it is only supposition, innuendo and opinion is to deny the ‘truth’. So even if an open and honest investigation was made into any of their claims and it concluded there wasn’t a conspiracy, the conspiracy theorist would claim that that was just part of the conspiracy.

At some point conspiracy can become against open debate, with anyone that argues against the belief system being accused of being in some way of being part of the conspiracy.

 

Balbus, have you done any research into the Rockefeller Family who founded the Council on Foreign Relations and the Trilateral Commission? Two groups founded to get rid of the United States as a soverign country and create a North American Union. Here is a quote from David Rockefeller in his own memoirs...

""For more than a century ideological extremists at either end of the political spectrum have seized upon well-publicized incidents such as my encounter with Castro to attack the Rockefeller family for the inordinate influence they claim we wield over American political and economic institutions. Some even believe we are part of a secret cabal working against the best interests of the United States, characterizing my family and me as 'internationalists' and of conspiring with others around the world to build a more integrated global political and economic structure--one world, if you will. If that's the charge, I stand guilty, and I am proud of it."

 

If you look at the quote you highlighted, then we'd have to, perhaps, agree with what you are saying.

However, You are pulling one quote from an entire book of memoirs. Since you provide no other entries to compare his thoughts to...we have no idea if you are simply doing what evangelical christians do....and that's pick and pull things from the Bible to argue their opinions without considering the true and complete context.

 

AHH, you could also consider what follows that quote. Which would be impossible in your case, since you've never read his memoirs, only selected quotes from conspiracy websites.

Although I should point out you are quoting David Rockefeller, not David Rothschild, whoever that is.

The primary problem here, aside from the fact that you selectively quote him in order to distort what he said, it that you are defining what internationalist means. You say it mean globalist NWO conspiracy, and then claim anyone who says they are an internationalist is admitting they are in on it. But internationalist doesn't mean that to people outside your conspiracy theory movement.

They're obvious doing a pretty crap job of it so far, seeing as neither looks remotely possible decades later. Meanwhile, Dave doesnt even rank in the top 250 wealthiest people in the world anymore, satellite TV entrepreneurs like Charles Ergen have more than twice as much cash.

 

Pepik, that was a mistake on my part, and for that I apologize, I did mean David Rockefeller. The reason that The Rockefeller family doesn't rank in the top 250 wealthiest people is because they are SMART rich people who are able to hide their wealth, just like Bush and most of the other elite families in the Western World.

 

you ignored most of what i said.

 

What does that quote have anything to do with anything, all it is is David Rockefeller talking about people who believe he's involved in conspiracies and how they are crazy, and then goes on to admit, that he stands guilty of their charges and he's proud of it, you have added nothing to the conversation as usual.

 

Balbus:

I'd love for you to illustrate your point. Would you be stating that the belief in Zionist conspiracies is a right wing pheneomon?

Is Holocast denial a right wing thing ?

 

Holocaust Denial is just a stupid thing, but studying it and believing it may have happened a little differently than history would have you believe, or believing it's used as an excuse for Israel's crimes is a totally legitimate thing.

 

No, it could NOT be one big fabricated lie. That is like saying everything that happened ever in history could be a fabricated lie. It is like saying you are in the Matrix and all everything you see and hear are jsut a computer program. I hate conspiracy theorists (not saying you are or arn't one, I don't know waht you are...I just hate them).

To everyone who denies the truth: The holocaust happened. To say it didn't is nothing short of anti-semitic natzism. Both my grandfathers were in the war (a pilot and an officer in the navy), as well as one of my grandmothers (a nurse), and they have first-hand reports of victims (including family members) from the camps. To think that they have somehow been brainwashed into lying to all of their family members is rediculous. My grandmother who was a nurse and my grandfather who was a pilot are both russian jews and some of their family members were held and killed by Nazis. I am done being angry with the conspiracy theorists who think, or can even ponder, that the holocaust did not happen. I know it did, anyone with half a brain and some common sense knows it did, so I am done being angry and trying to convince neo-nazis that it happened.

 

So what are Holocast Denial Experts thinking ?


That The Nazi's killed thousands of; Poles, Russians, Luithianians, Serbs, Greeks, French, Belgians, Italians, Danes, Norweigians, Arabs, perhaps a few Croats and Hungarians and Romanians thrown in for good measure.

And didn't kill any Jews ?


I forgot Gypsies, Gays

annd plenty of fellow Germans too!

Did I forget anybody ?