De's Liniment

In a society which was actually functional I agree. Myself, I'm grateful to my parents in some ways for the good things they did for me, but I also see the negative stuff they put in too. My dad, for instance, was a 100% materialist, and supporter of the British Empire - so I think one has to have discrimination here.
Certainly my values are very different from those of my parents.

Generally I am wondering again if I should continue to post here. We are always on a journey in this life, and my own journey at present seems to be leading me away from many aspects of Hindu philosophy, although not entirely.
Thing is, I've grown 'attached' to the folks here to some extent - you, spook, jedi, nicole, phil and the rest....anyway, maybe I'll have to think it over.

 

::nods:: Sure, my parents have traits and opinions I don't agree with...my father is a republican and such...I don't agree with some of his views at all...but he's still my favourite person on this green earth.

My mother, she's closeminded about a lot of different cultures that she just doesn't understand...but I still love her...she's my mother... you know...? Even when I get pissed at my parents...they're still my parents..I love and honor them because I just do...

Besides...I could never complain...my foster sister...she's been through soo much...my parents are angels compared to what she's seen...you know...?

 

Nicole, my disagreements with my father never stopeed the love I always had for him, and respect where I feel it is due.

With my mother it's the same - and actually although we disagree on many things, we actually get on quite well.

 

That is not the bhava that I can handle, seriously I don't pretend to see what I don't. I am not saying you do... but if you do see God everywhere, hey man, Good job.

Krishna is in the sky... why shouldn't he be sitting there when he is everywhere? Krishna is not crying to me, He is self sufficient, I am crying to him, there is a difference- that is what surrender is.

 

At the moment we are born our parents have already given us more than we can ever repay. A healthy body, the ability to use it.

 

But it is the logical conclusion of saying I am nothing without Krishna. Unless your statement was nothing but empty words. If that is so, then there is nothing more to say.

Need I instruct you in the difference between crying and crying out - calling for someone's attention.
And if Krishna can do anything, why can't he cry? Does he not love you enough to call out to you with all his heart? Shastras tell us that God's yearning for us to come to Him is a hundred times stronger than our yearning to go near God.

Your dexterity in stripping away all context from my words never ceases to disappoint.
Which is since he IS everywhere and not ONLY (a word I considered redundant in my earlier post, but it seems I need to spell these things out) in the sky. The point is he IS everywhere, so what are you waiting for?

 

"Though all created things belong to God, there is one thing God hasn't--our love. When He created us, He did have something to attain, and that is our love. We can withhold that love, or give it to Him. And He will wait endlessly until we are ready to offer our love to Him. When we do, when the prodigal son comes Home, the fatted calf of wisdom is killed and there is much rejoicing. When a soul returns to God, there actually is rejoicing among all the saints in heaven"- Paramahansa Yogananda

 

He is self sufficient he does not need to do so. I guess the reason for that is He knows we are with him, but we don't know he is with us, like you said - right now.

lol, its all good man. He is everywhere, I am waiting for him to show me that he is everywhere. See? - I know that I don't have the capacity to see him everywhere, like people in the advaita bhava do (heh, I don't even have the capacity to chant his name properly 24/7). Thats why I surrender to him, I want him to show me he is everywhere. That is also why I am waiting for him. So if you are capable of seeing him everywhere like people who do it in advaita bhava, then good for you.

 

Oh yes I missed this little quote here...

1) I am not saying i am a great lover of krishna, I can never compare to Meerabai, Ramanuja or anyone like that. However, my statement was a spontaneous one similar to the one that comes from a lover about his beloved.

When I said, "I am nothing" with out krishna. I mean't with out my beloved, I have no reason to exist. It has nothing to do with logic and everything to do with what I am feeling.

 

To say I surrender and then in the very next sentence to say "I want him to..." is not really surrender at all. True surrender is when you give up any will of your own to the divine.

 

I hope you stick around Bill, personally I've enjoyed and learnt from reading your posts. I am not a Hindu myself, somehow I migrated here from the meditation section after striking up a friendship with Bhaskar. Even so I find many posts of great interest, maybe because they are more spiritual in nature and not so much about the intricacies of the religion.

 

Ok man, let me be straight with you. I don't know how surrendered I am, but you don't know how surrendered I am either, because no matter how much you try , you will not know me like krishna does.

All I know is when He lets me completely surrender and achieve perfection in my service to His lotus feet. Then! I will have realized my true nature, which is my position as one of His loving eternal servants.

Again, this may not be your path, as I have come to realize that some people don't really want to go in this path, but they want to experience God in advaitic non dualistic fashion and they really see God everywhere- something I am not capable of doing physically like them. Hence, that path is for them, the surrender path is for me. I have come to realize this because of our discussions here.

Thanks.

 

Phil - I expect I'll be continuing to post here - occaisionally though I wonder.....


Jedi - although you're on different path, here's a quote from Sri Aurobindo on the topic of surrender:

"Reject..the false and indolent expectation that the divine power will do even the surrender for you. The supreme damands you surrender to her, but does not impose it.....your surrender must be salf-made and free; it must be the surrender of a living being, not of an inert automaton or mechanical tool.
An inert passivity is constantly confused with the real surrender, but out of an inert passivity nothing true and powerful can come. It is the inert passivity of physical nature that leaves it at the mercy of every obscure or un-divine influence........."

From 'The Mother'

 

Yep!

 

See how easily your hackles go up when someone challenges your spiritual direction? What then gives you the right to criticize others whose path is to worship their Guru? If you cannot take it, don't dish it out.

 

yea thanks for the lesson. i will remember this next time I "dish" your guru.

 

So you're saying there will be a next time.

 

lol ok babu , when something like this situation comes across in my mind, I will stop and remember how each and every path is different and I can't make judgements.

Phew.. thank you guru bhaskar

 

We'll See.

 

Bhaskar and Jedi...you two guys are keeping me entertained with this thread.