Democrates are 'saving democracy' with no primary voting

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  1. MeAgain

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    Well said.
     
  2. TheGreatShoeScam

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    FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
    JULY 23, 2024

    Black Lives Matter calls on the DNC to host a virtual snap primary.

    Washington D.C. – Black Lives Matter demands that the Democratic National Committee (DNC) immediately host an informal, virtual snap primary across the country prior to the DNC convention in August. We call for the Rules Committee to create a process that allows for public participation in the nomination process, not just a nomination by party delegates. The current political landscape is unprecedented, with President Biden stepping aside in a manner never seen before. This moment calls for decisive action to protect the integrity of our democracy and the voices of Black voters.

    While Joe Biden wasn’t our preferred candidate, we cannot ignore the troubling actions of the Democratic Party:

    • The DNC refused to host debates during the primary, even though a vast majority of Democratic voters wanted them. This would have likely allowed America to see the decline of Joe Biden in 2023.
    • The DNC changed the primary schedule and created rules that made it almost impossible for non-Biden candidates to appear on the ballot, effectively clearing the field of any challengers to the incumbent president.
    • Following the primary where millions of Black voters weighed in, after one poor debate performance, the DNC Party elites and billionaire donors bullied Joe Biden out of the race.
    Now, Democratic Party elites and billionaire donors are attempting to manipulate Black voters by anointing Kamala Harris and an unknown vice president as the new Democratic ticket without a primary vote by the public. This blatant disregard for democratic principles is unacceptable. While the potential outcome of a Harris presidency may be historic, the process to achieve it must align with true democratic values. We have no idea where Kamala Harris stands on the issues, now that she has assumed Joe Biden’s place, and we have no idea of the record of her potential vice president because we don’t even know who it is yet.

    At Black Lives Matter, our focus is on building strong communities, addressing root issues, and creating spaces of justice and joy. This election process has been a disservice to our communities and to democracy. Historically, Black people have been loyal Democratic voters, but time and again, the party has taken our votes for granted and prioritized political theatrics over our real needs.

    So we will do the hard thing: we will celebrate, and honor the joy many in our community are feeling about Kamala’s historic candidacy and path to the nomination—while calling out the undemocratic process and engaging in a vigorous discussion on the issues our community cares about.

    We do not live in a dictatorship. Delegates are not oligarchs. Any attempt to evade or override the will of voters in our primary system—no matter how historic the candidate—must be condemned. We demand an informal, virtual snap primary now that the incumbent president is no longer in the running.

    For the past few years, the Democratic Party has proclaimed that “democracy is on the ballot” in an effort to persuade Black voters to participate in the upcoming general election. They have presented this as the most serious election for democracy in our lifetimes. However, democracy isn’t just an ideal to be protected against Republicans; it must also be safeguarded from erosions within the Democratic Party. Calls for “unity” cannot come at the expense of democracy. The Democratic party, which has been the loudest in defending democracy, is now poised to commit some of the most undemocratic maneuvering to avoid listening to the will of the voters.

    D’Zhane Parker, a Black Lives Matter leader, said: “Black Lives Matter is independent of any political party. We focus on fighting racial and economic injustices that impact Black communities. While we may back policies that align with our goals, our commitment is to the liberation of Black people. This independence allows us to hold all political entities accountable and stay true to our mission without party influence.”

    We must stand firm against any attempt to silence Black voters and other marginalized communities. This is not just about Biden or Harris; it is about demanding a political system that genuinely represents us and upholds democracy.

    Let us be clear: This is about the Democratic Party following a process that protects the legitimacy of any future Democratic president following this unprecedented moment. Installing Kamala Harris as the Democratic nominee and an unknown vice president without any public voting process would make the modern Democratic Party a party of hypocrites. It would undermine their credibility on issues related to democracy. Imagine our first Black woman president not having won some sort of public nomination process. The pundits would immediately label it as affirmative action or a DEI move, and any progress made by a President Harris would be on shaky foundations. If Kamala Harris is to be the nominee, it must be through a process that upholds democratic principles and public participation.

    Reflecting on history, we remember Shirley Chisholm, the first Black woman to run for the Democratic nomination for president in 1972. She faced significant opposition from the party establishment, underscoring the need to stand firm against undemocratic practices today. Since 1972, presidential candidates have needed to undergo a vote by the public to receive the nomination, which replaced the era when party bosses controlled the nomination process. Binding primaries were established to ensure that the nominee reflected the will of the people rather than party elites.


    Shalomyah Bowers, a Black Lives Matter leader, said: “This is not an attack on Kamala Harris or Black women, and right now we aren’t questioning Kamala’s qualifications or capabilities. This is about the nominating process. Those of us who care about the principles of democracy cannot be serious about installing Kamala Harris and an unknown vice president as the Democratic nominee without any semblance of a people-powered process. Not delegates and party elites, but actually asking communities across the country if they believe this should be the democratic ticket. Anything less is unserious in the quest for democracy. Democracies are stronger when political parties operate with primary systems that allow for genuine participation.”

    We demand a transparent and fair virtual snap primary to allow for a democratic selection of the nominee. The DNC must address systemic issues, increase transparency, and promote genuine grassroots engagement. Our democracy is strongest when it is inclusive, transparent, and fair.

    About Black Lives Matter Global Network Foundation

    Our mission is to work inside and outside of the system to heal the past, re-imagine the present, and invest in the future of Black lives through policy change, education, healing justice, and a commitment to the arts. Our vision is to imagine a world where Black people across the diaspora thrive, experience joy, and are not defined by their struggles.

    https://blacklivesmatter.com/black-...nough-delegates-to-become-democratic-nominee/
     
  3. Wally Pitcher

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    In order to have a legitimate discussion on Democracy, you need to define the word Democracy or contrast as us as a Democratic form of government. In a country that has a supreme court that defined Corporations as people, and includes Individuals as a person over 18 years old. I assume that the U. S. is a Corporatist Republic, since we do not directly elect our leaders. Democratic governments include Parliamentary Governments, Republics, and Democracies. Ancient Greece is the only nation I can recall that can be called a Democracy. If we were a Democracy, We would not have had a Republican President in at least 50 years. Eisenhower is the only Republican President that met the criteria. Both the Democratic and Republican parties wanted him to be our post war president.
     
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    Say good bye to Social Security; SSI, SSN, the Afordable Care Act, Un Employment Insurance, Food Stamps, Democracy, basic Human Rights for ethnic Minorities and Women.
    California could end it's generosity to Arizona, Utah, Idaho, Texas and other dead beat RepubliKKKan states. The California State Legislature has given Governor Newsome the right to halut our Generosity.
    We could laugh at Trump and we won't feel any economic crunch .... but those aforementioned Red States will feel it .... very fast !!!!
    Texas and Florida will have to flit the bill.

    Texas is on the verge of bankruptcy, due to its Border BS ....
    Property Tax in Texas, is now the highest in the Nation ....GOOD GOING ABBOTT !!!!

    Trumpsters in the South and Midwest will feel it, when their Fentynol money is cut off.
     
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  7. Wally Pitcher

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    I think that you are worried about everything all of a sudden. Without Social Security, Medicare, Affordable Care Act etc the health care system and the Insurance Industry will collapse along with all of the Hospitals, EMS, Paramedics. It is more likely that they will repeal the ACA, and Sunset Medicare and/or Social Security Not offering these benefits to the new work force, and slowly bleeding Health Care by attrition. That will take time. Trump as I understand wants to Eliminate Presidential elections and allow the state legislatures to select the Executive Branch in a somewhat draconian parliamentary scheme. The people will still have the power to elect legislators. The key will be with the sitting Republicans in Congress and whether they will do what is right or give in to heir Trump. To change the constitution will require ratification by a majority of the states. My guess is that the economy will collapse if the government is not financing key elements of the economy. They will not be able to give all of the tax revenue to the military and the oil companies.
     
  8. Cruiserweight

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    Democracy is very much alive and well. The majority have voted. That's democracy. The Republic has been badly in need of it these past 4 years. We can only hope that the nightmare will be over from January 20th onward.
     
  9. MeAgain

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    Why has the Republic been badly in need of democracy the past four years?
    The majority voted for Biden the last time, that was also democracy.
     
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  10. Cruiserweight

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    I understand that you believe that.

    I don't but I don't see any value in arguing about it at this point. It's all good now.
     
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    I totally disagree that everything will be OK on January 20, 2025. In reality, if the lying felon (Family Values President) will make fools out of all of the morons who voted for him. The citizens of this country need to wake up before the proud boys tack a swastica on everyone's door. Smart people need to move out and go to Europe. Italy is encouraging freedom loving people to move there.
     
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  12. MeAgain

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    It isn't a matter of blind belief, it's a fact.
    I agree there isn't any point to arguing it, because there's nothing to argue.

    But why have you evaded my question?
    Why has the Republic been badly in need of democracy the past four years?
    Why throw out a statement that the Republic has been badly in need of democracy these past 4 years if you can't support or explain that statement?
     
  13. Cruiserweight

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    I said exactly what I believe. You believe otherwise. Your "fact" is what I see as falsehood. - a scam.

    But, again, I'm not looking to argue. I see what I see - you see what you see. Each of us is free - or should be free - to express our views, thoughts, opinions without taking on a whole pile of justifying work to do so. I'm relaxed in my postings. Disagreeing with me is fine - I don't mind.

    I'm not going to go on about this with you. You do you, I'll do me.
     
  14. Cruiserweight

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    Sounds like a great idea. I wish all happiness to smart people
     
  15. MeAgain

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    You come on here posting that the U.S. wasn't democratic for the last four years and expect to get away with it.
    You post nonsense and then say the facts are a scam, yet you have no evidence to support that "belief".
    Your post is beyond worthless, it is insulting.

    You're not looking to argue because you know you have no argument.
    Intellectual cowardice.
     
  16. Cruiserweight

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    That's your opinion.

    My argument is what many know but couldn't be "proved" because judges kept refusing to see evidence citing "standing" as their corruptive and/or cowardly out.

    As for evidence, there's tons of it but I'm not gonna spend the next week pulling it all together just to suit you.

    I'll just accept your judgement of my post being worthless and that I'm a coward. How nice of you to say so.

    I do not accept that I'm intellectual.
     
  17. Wally Pitcher

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    The evidence that were not a Democracy is exemplified by the fact that a billionaire, who made 16 Billion dollars two years ago, was convicted of fifty plus felonies, only paid $750 in taxes, and possibly ordered the murder of Jeffery Epstein and his Ex-wife got elected to the presidency, got off Scot free with no punishment. At the same time an unemployed homeless man stole some food and got a year in jail. That is why we are not in a democracy.
     
  18. MeAgain

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    It's not my opinion that you won't present facts to back up your claims. That's a fact.

    So you can't prove anything because the "corrupt" judges refuse to see the evidence?
    Okay, show us the evidence.

    Oh wait, you're too lazy to "pull it all together".
    You're too lazy to demonstrate the truth, much easier to just spew unsupported opinions.
    The problem is opinions don't affect facts but facts should alter opinions.
     
  19. MeAgain

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    There is some truth to that although I don't know what billionaire was convicted of fifty felonies.
     
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    Your kidding I Hope. Donald Trump the Family Values President elect
     

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