There are always 2 sides - we do after all have manifestation because of vibration -a swinging from 1 extreme to the other . This is the law of dichotomy . Neither extreme is right or wrong...the are just the poles from which we move in vibrating. I myself do not carry guns as I would rather not be here than kill in order to stay. But sometimes the action is in your sphere of influence and you must choose whether to Stop actions which people use to force their will on another. Use of force at whatever level is needed and stems from the force the other is using to force their will on another without allowing for their free will. The 'militia' is and always will be made up of free individuals who will not accept the yoke of others enforcing their will on the majority - hence the first flag of "don't tread on me". The individuals trying to force their will on others determine the amount and method of the countering force of freedom - if one attacks with a gun then the person defending their right to free will has the 'right' to use equal force. The method of deterrence carried to the extreme insures complete ceasation of life. At some point individuals must decide how they choose to interact in a not perfect world. One can choose not to be where the energy is - or one can deliberately open themselves to be in the way of it. Each must decide with free will at what level they will interact. Feeding violence with violence tends to make the actions more violent rather than less. Energy craves an opposing force to stand and strengthen itself. Be(a)ware what you feed. Being True to oneSelf allows one to deal with what they decide is their sphere of influence in a method that they deem necessary to Stop others from forcing their will and inhibiting free will. But how you feed the energies involved may make the situation more volatile than less. Carried to the extreme it means game over start anew - learn your lesson well or get kicked in the ass.
The problem comes down to a need for power. A gun is the ultimate expression of personal power, or ego extension. The ego is a very fragile construct which, when it feels threatened, will project the perceived threat away from itself and onto the perceived source of the threat, whether real or imaginary. Let's suppose I find myself in a very threatening situation, which I have. I perceive a threat being made against me. And let's assume the threat is real. Having a rather weak ego and not giving a rat's ass about how I am perceived, my first inclination is to run like shit. Extradite myself from the situation as I really don't care if I look weak or like a coward. If I cant get away, then I look to other options. A stand your ground law is predicated upon the need, not to escape an ego or even bodily threatening situation, but upon the need to protect the ego. If escape is possible, there is no value to standing your ground. Anyone who has been in a desperate situation should be aware that you can always be outgunned. You can always miss, a gun can jam, you can slip, etc. In other words, there is always someone bigger and badder than you. The time will come when you will loose a confrontation if only due to bad luck. Even Mohammed Ali got old and today couldn't fight his way out of a paper bag (nor could he hit anything he aimed at). So why stand your ground??? If there is a means to escape the only reason to stand your ground is to protect your self image. We used to do this by projecting power with our fists or some other means of unarmed conflict. Unarmed conflict does not usually result in death as the negative energy which the ego has amassed is dissipated in the resulting fight. We have all seen protracted fights in which both combatants tire each other out and the fight ends. In the days of my youth, many times the combatants who at the beginning of the fight hated each other, ended up as friends after the negative energy was gone, the pecking order was established, and rationality returned. The gun however, allows the ego to project a highly concentrated, highly volatile narrow beam of power. The gun gives the ego killing force, the power to eliminate other competing egos. No pecking order needs to be established, the ego of the gun eliminates all competition and declares itself the ultimate ego with the ultimate power over others. Stand your ground laws are an expression of ultimate ego. Gun carrying individuals are an expression of ultimate ego. Gun carrying, stand your grounders are telling others, "My ego is supreme, it can not be denied, and I have the right to extinguish any other who contests my supremacy. I have no need to run or extract myself from a bad situation, I can not be intimidated, nor do I need to consider any other factors in any situation I may find myself in. I am right, you are wrong, and I will kill you, if I so desire, if you disagree." This is not to say that self defense is a bad thing. I am not saying that guns should never be used for self defense. I do own guns. But I have no need to carry one around with me. I have no need to display one on my person in public, I am not afraid of regulating certain types of guns and how they are used, carried, displayed, etc. My first means of defense is always to run, not shoot. And that's my rant.
Son of a bitch!! I answered this extensively and then erased it by mistake!! I will get back to it----
Meagain Interesting, are you implying that for some a gun is really just an ego trip, to make them feel powerful and potent? Which would mean that the lessening of societal threat and fear would have little effect on such people’s view of gun ownership as it is not externally based but an internal psychological complaint? I would think that in a society where guns were not thought to be needed to be owned for personal protection that such people would be viewed as a bit strange, possibly fetishistic even dangerous. For an egocentric personality that might be a turn off, as they wouldn’t want to be seen that way. But this could explain some of the ‘heroic’ nature of some scenarios given by some pro-gunners where the decent gun wielding citizen saves the day - its projection.
At the level these people are operating there is no separation from the perceived social order. The internal is projected outward and the outward is perceived and translated in relation to the internal psychology. IMO. Happiness is a warm gun.
Meagain Yes I can see your point – but I live in hope that people’s attitudes and mentality can change - I mean where has the mentality come from, we have the fear/threat aspect and the egocentric/individualistic characteristic but these are learnt responses so there has to be a cultural dimension and cultures can change and develop (they can also degenerate but let’s not go there). So what is it about American culture that throws up these negative viewpoints?
I offered an economical solution to reduce guns in circulation. A way to psychologically reduce demand across the consumer public. I'm sorry you struggle to grasp this concept. If you don't like my suggestion, please explain your idea on how we can reduce the amount of guns in society without forfeiture. I'm all ears. I have yet to hear a gun-control freak come up with a non-tyrannical solution. Yeah, they're afraid alright. That the government will send their goons to bash in their doors and take all their guns away. :: By getting rid of the possible threat that the government will one day decide nobody is allowed to own any guns, you'll reduce the purchasing demand to hoard guns. Perhaps because there's thousands of Balbus clones just like you who make statements like this: Why would you want to live in a society without crime deterrents? That can't be healthy. I was actually hoping I could get an anti-gunner's opinion on this one. Why should it be acceptable for rich people, famous people, and political people to have bodyguards who carry weapons, but not the common people? Oh the irony..... Repeating yourself over and over never bothered you before. Why now?
I don't agree that they are learned concepts as much as concepts that have not been grown out of. All individuals pass through this stage as they mature. I believe that humans develop physically, intellectually, emotionally, spiritually, etc. They do this in relation to the physical development of their bodies and in relation to the society that they find themselves embedded in. All humans encounter differing stages of ego development. The baby is completely ego less, the child completely ego centered. As adulthood is reached the ego may pass through the period of ego centralism or get hung up in various levels or forms of egotism. The culture of the United States is very ego centered and also geared to instant gratification. With the the advent of "progressive" schooling and culture, (and by progressive I mean the artificial feeding of individual egos by not allowing failure in schools, lack of social structure and hierarchies, permissive child behavior etc.), individuals have become spoiled children in adult bodies. In addition they have not developed critical thinking skills, as you no doubt have noticed when you look at the totally illogical responses to some of the points that are made in debates, and the glaring omission of even an acknowledgement that one side or another may have a valid point. There was a book awhile back about the lack of reading skills and the destructive effects of Sesame Street with its short attention grabbing techniques which never lead to deeper thought and how good language skills are essential for wiring the brain and allowing logical thought. (Sesame Street may have changed since then, I don't know). Everything I've read seems to point to Europe as being very much ahead of the U.S. in social development.
I assume your solution is below. First of all for the umteenth time, no responsible person, congressman or woman, senator, state or federal governmental personal or agency, or anyone else is proposing a ban on all guns. Second, the demand for guns goes up when Liberals win because of the fear mongering of the right and Libertarian elements. Remember "Obama will take your guns if he gets elected?" Do you mean forfeiture of all guns, some guns, guns of certain types, or what? Do you oppose the licensing of certain types of guns, such as full automatic or not? What do you mean by non-tyrannical? See fear mongering above. Also it continues to amaze me that some individuals think that guns are the best solution to "government goons" instead of an informed citizenry, honest governmental officials, sound laws and the application of same, realistic mental health, and a fair chance at attaining the pursuit of happiness. We already have that guaranteed by law and the 2nd amendment. So what are you taking about? I am not anti gun, but I will answer. Rich people/famous people often need armed body guards because of the attention they draw from gun toting idiots and mental cases. Same with political people. Especially since Raygun released the loonies. The common person is not exposed to millions of people, some, by the law of averages, who don't like them and may be mentally, or politically unstable and due to the proliferation of guns in the U.S have easy acces to them. Ask John Lennon...oh, that's right you can't.
Haven't read the comments yet but just wanted to say that, although there are things I don't agree with (I don't agree with article 100%), I do agree with very, very much of the article in the OP. Overall, liked it. :2thumbsup:
If it wasn't for the leftist opinion to restrict (or in extreme cases, eliminate) the 2nd amendment, the NRA and the right wing fear mongering you speak of would cease to exist. I mean non-tyrannical as a way to "reduce the amount of firearms in circulation" without using government agents to forcefully take them away. Fact is we already have so many privately owned guns out there, gunsmiths know how to make them in a metal shop, people know how to refill and make new bullets. I'd like to see how reducing these firearm numbers could possibly be achieved without force. Licencing certain types of guns has its problems because we occasionally run into issues like these: http://www.prisonplanet.com/recovering-alcoholic-has-guns-seized-by-connecticut-police.html Yeah, they SHOULD be guaranteed. Yet the governing class and law enforcement is guilty of thousands upon thousands of constitutional rights violations over the last few years alone. Balbus' statement about Eugene Debs being robbed of his constitutional rights is a good example of the kind of things they'll try to pull. That's why the these fascists need to be held more accountable. Yet we've seen FEMA police in New Orleans go from door to door only to confiscate guns from innocent people, when the media told us they were there to help hurricane Katrina victims. You have a valid point in that famous ones gather unwanted attention. But sometimes common people gather unwanted attention too. And sometimes a restraining order just isn't a good enough deterrent. I'm not saying the person needs to carry a gun in order to be taken seriously. But nobody can determine everyone's back story, what life experiences they've had, or their situations they are facing that make them feel safer owning a weapon if they have no other means of physical defense.
Please cite which parts of the 2nd are being threatened to be restricted or eliminated and who specifically is threatening. That would depend on who owns the guns, why they were being removed from circulation, how it would be accomplished, by whom, whether it was voluntary or involuntary, etc. And just because we may have too many guns doesn't mean we shouldn't try yo get rid of some of them..how many guns do you need? One, five, thirty...? Certain types of guns are already licensed. The individual in question appears to have had certain problems and was lawfully judged to not be responsible enough to have guns for a while, or entirely. It's not like alcoholics, recovering alcoholics, or depressed people have never shot anyone before. It seems a clear case of damned if they do and damned if they don't. If they don't take the guns and this guy shoots some one, then everyone will want to know why he had guns. They are guaranteed, read your Constitution. Examples of violations upheld by the courts please. Specifically, what fascists and what did they do? Sounds like an emergency situation to me. Many rights may lawfully be suspended during emergencies. I have no problem with self defense. But I don't carry a gun with me everywhere I go. Do you take one to the beach when you swim? Why or why not?
Could you repeat that in English, please. I know English isn't your first language. But, give it another try. Thank You.
All right. What's the advantage of being Atheist? My "language" demands that I know and understand you. http://entertainment.xin.msn.com/en...ood/the-ting-tings.aspx?cp-documentid=5713089
O.K. Mr. dear Mcfuddy, I'll double that. One is enjoying scandal which I do not want to, and the other is self-deceiving myself that I helped in a group I only paid lip-service to.