death penalty for rape

the first one I mentioned

HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH RELIGION!!!!!!


it was the first known legal code, it is what all known legal codes are based on

it is all about legally instituted vengeance

death penalty = vengeance


you cannot talk about the death penalty without talking about the vengeance element, they are the same thing

you have a really narrow view don't you?

 

i never said anything about the first part when i mentioned religion i was tlakin about your last part trying to tie this to religion, i believe the narrow view woul dbe to label it as vengance or religion and pass it on like you're trying to do.

 

It's not like you can just zap someone for free. Besides, I'm pretty sure the food they get in prison is pretty cheap and what else do you really need to buy for them?

 

The state pays for the appeals process in death penalty casses, they have to provide both lawyers and the process takes about a decade.

There are far fewer appeals to keep a person for life, so it winds up being less expensive.

And they only have to keep someone for one actual life sentence. People end up dying.

 

Besides, they don't really need to house them for few life sentences, because after the first life sentence, they are dead and there is no longer a need to house them.

 

unfortunatly our entire system is about vengeance, the level of rehab is fucking minimal

 

Are you suggesting that rapists need rehabilitation?

 

just as a general rule


the system as a whole

 

I think never raping again is a good thing.

Even if it is just in prison. A large part of prison is non violent drug offenders, *dispropotintaly black and poor too* they don't deserve a rapist cellmate.

 

Then what would deter the criminals from commiting crime without extreme consequence?

 

My point is that you can't rehabilitate a rapist imo. Rape is a perversion not an illness. How would you rehabilitate him? Ban him from masterbating for a year or two? He should be locked up with bubba...

 

the only problem there is thats not going to make any difference, these people are paid on a HOURLY basis, yes I am talking about lawyers etc, they will get their paychecks either way.

if we never had another appeal EVER we would still have those people there to handle it, being paid reguardless.

 

yeap kill the creaps..

 

but... what about all those useless bitches who simply claim they were raped so they don't have to deal with the consequences of their actions?

 

No, I don't believe in the death penalty and I think people have the ability to be rehabilitated.

 

death by bukkake,
lets see how he feels drowning in semen for a change...

 

they deserve punishment to. if there was no rape, and they said there was - they should pay all the court costs, lawyer costs and such for the defendant, at least. if they perjure in court, then they'll be sent to jail...

 

I remember I compiled some evidence ages ago against the DP, which is an obvious thing to be abolished to catch up with the rest of the western world.

first off, whoever said it was more expensive is spot on!

It is not proven that the DP actually deters murders.

Now on for an old argument I used, but just as valid today.

In maine, the DP is still on the books but has not been used since 1887. I like this site simply because it lets you see every state and gives lots of interesting info on each state, if you are interested:

http://deadlinethemovie.com/state/ME/index.php

for instance you will find:
maines murder rate per 100,000 is 1.4 for 2004
in mass. who abolished the Death penalty, it is 2.6 deaths per 100,000 in 2004
In cali, it is 6.7 per 100,000
top two death rates are DC at 35.8 and louisana 12.7 murders per 100,000
I'll throw in peurto rico at 20.4 per 100,000

this is an interactive map of methods of execution state by state FYI cause there still are up to 4 or 5 in some states not just lethal injection as some my think. You can still get a firing squad for instance
http://deathpenaltyinfo.msu.edu/c/states/maps/modes.htm

I am afraid of innocent people who are put on death row because of false evidence, false testifying, ect.
"In the past 30 years, 123 inmates were found to be innocent and released from death row (ACLU). " overall to date it is 187 taken off of DR after being found innocent. http://www.innocenceproject.org/
three graphs int he website I am about to supply tell you how many people have been wrongfully put on death row and later exonerated so imagine those put on DR who were not exonerated and put to death or are spending life on DR. "Tenth Dallas County Man in Just Five Years Is Proven Innocent Through DNA Evidence; Larry Fuller Set To Be Released Today"
http://www.innocenceproject.org/causes/

Inadequate representation is also a huge problem. when someones life is at stake and innocent people are sentanced to death for a crime they did not do (as stated above) something needs to be done about this:
"17 percent of prisoners on DR in N.carolina were represented by attorneys who have been discplined by state bar. less than 1 percent of all NC attorneys are disciplined by the NC state bar"
regardless of weather one if for the DP, people need to be better represented. just ask Darryl Hill or Alan Gell. even for cases in question...George McFarland (still on death row in Texas) had a lawyer who slept through parts of his trial....we CAN NOT have that. a sentance as severe as this should have SOLID evidence and process don't you agree? not someone sleeping..there have been reports of attorneys on drugs or hung over. one of the worst is when police convicted Earl Washington, mentally ill, and he CONFESSED TO A CRIME HE DID NOT COMMIT.

I would invite anyone to WATCH THE INTRO VIDEO here by clicking on the "view after innocense trailer" for examples like the aforementioned DH and AG.

http://www.afterinnocence.com/index.html

comparing each state and weather it enforces the DP (previous site I supplied) than looking at murder rates per100,000 is rather interesting.

http://www.infoplease.com/ipa/A0004912.html

Average of murder rates among death penalty states in 2005: 5.3
Average of murder rates among non-death penalty states in 2005: 2.8

The DP does not deter anything! Time to catch up with Europe, Canada, Australia, New Zealand and even some third world countries who ban the DP. No more barbaric ways!

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article.php?did=169&scid=12

For a weighted average which takes into account the population of each state

http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article.php?scid=12&did=168

from what I found 18 of 20 states with highest murder rate is DP state.

costs of DP articles here:
http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/article.php?did=108&scid=7#financial%20facts

 

as a victim, wanting the death penalty for the guilty actually will end up causing the victim more grief, which is inhumane in my eyes.

let me explain: out of all the victims who support the death penalty, only 2% of them ever get to see the guilty party executed. that leaves 98% never getting what they want. even among those 2%, finally seeing the guilty executed could take 5..10...15 years as you hold this deep vengence (very unhealthy for victim), causing unneeded grief and resentment as the guilty goes through trails, appeals and sits in death row. Yet the DP has been sold as a benefit to the victims family and a way to make things better..yet there is no evidence to prove that execution helps in the grieving process. because IT DOES NOT SUDDENLY BRING THE VICTIM BACK it DOES NOT MAKE ANYTHING BETTER. you feel ripped off, you have no control over the trial and punishment -

"To create such a fornula for certianty of disappointment IN THE NAME OF THE VICTIMS RIGHTS is particulary ironic."
-Zimmerman

you keep holding on to this moment to FINALLY let go of the anger, because america is sold on the DP..and mostly, that chance does not come.

and AGAIN, the #1 fact AGAINST the DP

Average of murder rates among death penalty states in 2005: 5.3
Average of murder rates among non-death penalty states in 2005: 2.8

If you are against the DP, at least show that you have an open mind and research the other side, because the evidence continues to mound against it as an impractical means of punishment that does not actually deter anything. The USA is the most violent country in the western world, people are to caught up on violence as pay back, but an eye for an eye leaves the whole world blind.

 

Just send the rapist to jail to be raped. Tit for tat.