Day of Rage on Wall Street! Protesters Occupy Brooklyn Bridge!

Well, someone sure is trying hard to not talk about it.

 

No, you do everything you can to focus attention away from the Federal Reserve and global banking syndicate, and on to other less important things.

 

You still haven't read a damn thing I've said. While you keep insisting that I am trying to take focus away from the banking system, I am talking about the banking systems...

Just who is it that you think keeps the currency market fluctuating as it does? Do you perhaps think it is auto mechanics and teachers who are spending billions of dollars in the money market?

The FED and the global banking system are not people. There are people behind them, those people set the system up, and use the system to do as they wish. While you seem to be concerned that the FED is the cause of all these problems and abolishing it would somehow fix something, some of us realize that with out without the FED, the people behind it would still be there and still playing the same games they do now outside the fed.

Everything from trading fluctuating currencies and the stock market itself creates money out of thin air. To a much larger degree then the fed does.

Getting rid of the fed would only change how they hide it...

Removing corporate person-hood would eliminate a lot of the games because it would mean the person who was in charge of the company would be the one held responsible for it, and stock holders would be held responsible along with them as part owners.

Changing to a single currency system would eliminate a lot more of the games as the way it is now, it is simple to hide what is going on with money when it is bouncing back and forth the way it does due to currency trading.

Changing the stock market to value companies based on real values rather then investors opinions would eliminate even more of the games.

These are the games that are played by the elite (you know, those guys you say we don't talk about) around the world. The FED and the IMF, are currently feeding those games, but are not responsible for them.

Oh, and just on the matter of your statement;

That collateral, is where they make their profit. That is the whole point to them making those loans. To make a claim that because the original loan wasnt paid back that they lost money is to ignore the reality of the situation.

 

PR doesn't seem to know the IMF from the world bank.

But yes, they do go loot places for unpaid loans. Like tom said, how exactly did you think they're making money off people with no money to pay back? You're attacking a viewpoint I never said I had, because I mentioned someone with a stupid viewpoint. My point is that the loans do NOT go unpaid, one way or another, or we wouldn't be loaning anything in the first place. Your super evil bankers don't go giving money for good, with no expectation of repayment.

 

The IMF and World Bank pretty much work in tandem.

 

300 Police at park in Boston. Beating people, including Vets For Peace; tearing down tents!!!

http://dissenter.firedoglake.com/2011/10/10/police-threaten-mass-arrest-at-occupyboston/

http://www.livestream.com/globalrevolution

 

Word is that Dallas, Seatle, Boston, and possibly San Francisco all being raided now!!!

http://www.livestream.com/globalrevolution

 

i would have thought that getting rid of fractional-reserve banking AND changing the laws relating to personhood and corporations were both pretty essential to permanent change for the better? i don't get why anyone would think that either of these were a good idea to keep... have i missed something? maybe i need to be educated? idk... eace:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iu63e7QD_5k"]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iu63e7QD_5k

" At 1:40 am the police barreled through the first line of defense the occupiers put up, an old veterans group carrying flags known as Veterans for Peace. While officers began arresting occupiers and tearing down tents they kept pushing others back, sometimes throwing them to the ground. People were screaming and yelling stupid nonsense at the police but most complied, albeit angrily.

Within twenty minutes the park was clear of protesters and DPW workers were throwing the remains of the camp into garbage trucks Reports are that they arrested over 100 people and there were no injuries. The whole operation was incredible in its brutal and quick efficiency; it was over so fast.

Now, even though the police may have won the night the protesters might win the PR war. Videos of the old veterans getting knocked, and in some cases thrown, to the ground by the police will have likely go viral. "

http://boston.com/community/blogs/less_is_more/2011/10/it_was_ugly_but_fast.html?p1=News_links

 

I think the first one is dead wrong, at the end of his article. That's JUST what it's all about: anger that the government is in the pocket of these fraudsters, and the government is practically the same entity in fact, and will use violence to uphold their corporate goal. If the government did NOT support these banks, why would they be using heavily authoritarian police tactics on people just exercising their first amendment rights?

The westboro baptist church often has police protection in their hateful "demonstrations", but if you say something about wallstreet, they'll arrest 700+ of you at a single swoop.

Yes, this in and of itself is a great reason to start protesting, and I hope it draws more.

Any word on the protests? I don't really read the news at the moment..... how are the doing, after the wave of attacks by police?

 

Indeed...

 

I dont think what comes after this will be good any way you get it. The problem here is not banks. The problem is people. The problem is nature.

Tell me what happens if they win peacefully? Wall St/Government will work a new way out to keep fucking us over and adapt to the new system until the people adapt and find a new way to win. This will happen again and again and there will always be that 99%. Because remember there is far more prey (people of low intelligence) than predators (people of high intelligence) in nature. Now, the herd can go against nature and be violent to protect the weak one who is picked off, which always gets a result, given, its always quite a roll in dirt and more than one will get hurt.

So lets say the people win with violence, usurp the banks and the people behind them and the herd is now the ruling party, we all rejoice under our new system of fairness? This theory works well on the surface, but then we forget that these are PEOPLE we are talking about NOT animals...right? "People" (humans) are omnivores, and one day they may eat plants, and the next day they want meat, if they can get it of course.

Something has to change within the human psyche itself for there ever to by any kind of success. Thats my opinion at least. Until there are more people than humans you always lose even win you win.

Im all for the cause of these protests, but you must be an idiot to believe that right now in this day and age (or in any age) that we can defeat nature itself. Is this really a protest against wall street, or people wanting to live in the jungle and bring their flatscreen TV?

Im sure a lot of what ive said here can be passed off as me talking out my ass which I AM :2thumbsup:, but its got an underlying truth that transcends time itself if you read between the lines.

 

Well shit.... I guess everyone mights as well go home then...

Seriously? the underlying truth that transcends time itself in between those lines???

Lay off the shrooms...

 

Uhhh Im talking about the fact that you cant change people. The problem isnt wall street or any of the banks its the people. You get rid of one group and the next greedy group comes in. Its a sad truth. No law changes are going to fix that. There will always be resources, it doesnt matter if we got rid of the banks and the monetary system.

You could honestly just say that the people running the banks are the "fittest" in the survival of the fittest. It doesnt matter that they lie, cheat, and steal. Morality, ethics, as well as "good and evil" are made up concepts. And guess who made them up? Thats right, the people on top who realize there is no "god", that we are "god", and you arent going to heaven or hell. Its easier to cut corners when 99% arent willing to do it, because they fear this invisible force they call their conscious that actually doesnt exist at all. And if a revolution were to happen and the people responsible for it are standing atop the "triumphant mountain", they will realize this, and thats when it starts all over again. You cant really say what the founding fathers founded actally worked can you? Because if you fast foward it didnt, systematically it failed and was exploited to the extreme, things just dont happen, its a chain effect, and somewhere down the line someone fucked up. Yes they wanted it to be fixable, but it isnt, because you cant change people. People only change themselves. You can go look at my people, the Shawnee, and tell me what happened to them. Its basically the story of life itself.

If you can fix the issues of what defines status/dominance, not in the modern human society, but in human nature itself, then you will fix what all those people are out there for. But youre fighting nature itself. So yes, everyone in theory might as well pick up and go home, because in the long term it is very much useless. The world has never changed, only people do. But how do you change something that is 500,000 years strong just in HUMAN exsistence, let alone whats been the instinct of everything alive since the beginning of life itself.

Im all for this succeeding, whatever success would be. But get over yourself dude, wake up. Dont get all defensive because Ive got somewhat of a good point here thats shooting this down. Once you tell me how to change the people themselves ill "lay off the shrooms", okay dude?

 

This whole movement is about people changing. That is the point of it. They have been sitting around and getting fucked for decades, and have realized that isn't working.

We don't have to change people... the people are changing themselves.

I didn't get all defensive, because you had a good point or otherwise...

You have nothing I need to defend against, as your whole post is to say that you see no point to this because it involves people...

That is not a revelation... that is assinine...

 

Well,to elbow my way between you two gentlemen,I think bottom line is that this needs to morph into a third party that calls for ALL money out of elections with ,of course, many other changes that benefit the working class instead of you-know-who. If it doesn't ,I'm afraid it will stall out. When the snow piles up this winter--it'll be difficult to maintain enthusiasm.

PS-we're taking our business money out of BofA and moving it to a credit union.

 

So you think the bankers are going to wake up tomorrow and say "Woah, Ive been a terrible person, what the fuck have I been doing this whole time, I should give up all this wealth and comfort I have and pay off all the politicians to do things for the people because I care about people all of a sudden"? Fuck no they wont.

Im saying you have to change those people. They wont change. You can kill them, but theyll be back in another form. You have to change the very laws of nature. Not even people. So please, tell me how to do that.

Im sorry but this isnt the giant history changing revolution weve all been waiting for since the dawn of time. I wish it was, but it isnt.

 

You must have me confused with someone with much more tact.... lol

Winter... I'm hoping the fires of revolution burn warmly, cause that has more potential to end this then anything does.

 

So, in otherwords, you didn't come in here to support, or even discuss the Occupy actions, but rather proclaim them as pointless?