Day of Rage on Wall Street! Protesters Occupy Brooklyn Bridge!

In my job I cant except sports tickets from customers. I cant accept gifts. My family cant except gifts or meals. I cant except meals over a certain amount. These rules are ethical things so I keep a purely business and fair relationships with vendors and customers.
The same ethic rules need to be legislated into law with stiff penalties for politicians at all levels. Strict ethics rules need to be in place for any politician or government worker that is in control of taxpayer money. This will take away the corporate power that is poisoning our democracy.

 

On the topic of politicians and what they get...

Considering that politicians are supposed to be the servants of the people, why are they making so much more then most others?

If you want to try to fix this system, one good thing would be to tie politicians salaries to the average salary of their constituents.

 

We NEED a third party. Maybe this is the start? I hope so.

 

Damn right Tom , well said . Some of these democrats , now have more in common with the g.o.p., than the working man they are supposed to represent . Hell , they vote against their own self interests half the time . Not to mention what they get from these piece of shit lobbyist , on the hill.

 

Your right Scratcho . I think if America , is going to have any chance at all . A real third party must emerge . If we don't dump both these corrupt political parties, we are doomed . The owned and controlled mass media will never let it happen . I think the start is getting control over the media , and putting it in the peoples hands.

I too , thought this was the start of an American movement , but alas , the media is already tying it to the left . And with the unions involved , the democrat party will be there in their glory . And sadly , as much as i hate to say this . I think it will be over before it started . Just bullshit stalled , bipartisan politics , and rhetoric as usual .

God , I only hope I'm wrong !

 

Well itz cool that people are speaking out ... itz tough and i am proud to know people that will speak for themselves...

I will be out on the street once agian for speaking up for my self in other matterz different from your speak out ...


I have been on this site for yearz ....

And proud to know you all...


Much love and light to you all...

 

I saw some protesting going on in Philadelphia as well. Glad to see this is spreading to other cities.

 

Sorry read the last post I wrote over agian some how "lol" or something went wrong and the wordz were switched around a little bit "some how... lol"

It makez a bit more sense now than it did before...


I am glad that people are covering thiz event because I had no adulation of the situation before seeing it on sitez such as this site...


Nice work...

 

In any other country I'd say so, but here, it won't matter for long. The US parties are just names, and anyone who wants can use any name. Notice how obama is EXACTLY what most democrats would describe as a republican, but he says he's a democrat, so that's (mostly) accepted. And there ain't no republicans accepting him. Also, note the racially motivated democrat/republican switch. They both used to be exact opposites, not so very long ago.

In my international relations class, we where talking about the IMF, and this stupid girl (who believes in rugged self-reliance, and all that, while driving daddys brand new truck) was going on tirades about how they're just stealing our money, and HER money (like she even pays taxes) and generally spewing stupidity (and not even noticing that we profit from that stuff) and when protests about the IMF came up, she shifted things to occupy walstreet, as an example of how protesters are stupid and can't do anything and don't even know what they want. In general, even the teacher, who's pretty on the ball, didn't see the headlessness as a benefit, this is obviously getting a lot of negative press that doesn't trickle down here, under my rock.

 

They are stealing our money. What do you call the bailouts? Or do you support bailouts to private offshore banks?

 

Of course US banks are. But not when the IMF gives loans, it's not stealing member states money.

Or do you not know what the IMF is, but know it sounds financial and scary?

 

Of course I know what the International Monetary Fund is and have written extensively about it. It's one of the most heinous institutions in the world, along with the World Bank. It's to blame for most of the poverty and suffering in the third world.

I think I am missing your point here. Do you think the IMF is a good thing? Is that what they're teaching kids these days?

 

Proud to say I attended a Occupy Buffalo protest yesterday that was attended by about 200 protesters. The reactions to the protest by passing motorist were very positive, even the Buffalo fire department drove trucks by blowing their horns and showing support for the movement. I plan on attending the protest for a few hours almost every day this coming week. It feels great to get out and participate in the whole process.:2thumbsup:

 

They'll stone you when you're walking down the street too.:2thumbsup:

 

There is going to be a lot more of this imo

It's really different from protests in the past, people aren't turning up on principle, they are turning up because they are scared of losing their jobs and houses

I remember 10 years ago when the anti-cap protest got quite big it was mostly middle class kids protesting on principle, they disagreed with the terrible conditions of workers in East Asia, South America and Africa. There was also the anger at what was being done to our supposedly rich cultures, but at the end of the day it was about principles so most people weren't prepared to risk their futures. It's different 10 years later because the young people don't see any future and a lot of the older people are losing their jobs

I think that it's much more potent this decade.

 

There is more to it I think.

First off, a lot of people have already lost their jobs and homes and as such, provide a base of anger and disatisfaction that goes deeper then people being upset because of things done to others.

More importantly though, we have many examples of how people in extremely violent and repressive regimes can stand up and affect change. If they can do it, we, living in a much more open society, have no reason for quitting and going home (if we still have one).

Yes, it's horrible that police have pepper sprayed and arrested a couple of people... In the middle east, they shot and tortured people for this and they didn't give up.

I just hope people keep that in mind when it starts getting cold... Not only will nothing change if they give up and go home, but it will make doing this again, that much harder.

 

I think it's coming to the point where maybe not this year or next year but in this decade people are going to be cold and hungry when they arrive and won't have any reason to go home.....

This idea that nothing will change is a big capitalist trick, it's always changing, it was apparently the government saving the financial industry only 3 years ago, since then it's been governments cowtowing to the financial industry and we who oppose it still somehow go along with this idea that it's normal

 

I'm not quite sure what you are talking about. The problems we have started long before 3 years ago.

The problems that are being protested (for the most part) are related to the fact that the only accountability in any of our systems is directed towards those at the bottom. Those at the top have been free to do what they wanted and not face any consequences over it.

This has not changed or at least not in our favour in any recent history.

 

What has changed though is that it is so explicitly having an effect on middle and working class Americans

Most people have known that the capitalist countries are corrupt and undemocratic regimes for decades, the only thing that has changed recently is that we have realised that this regime can't/won't protect us anymore

 

Something that everyone should keep in mind when you start talking about the 'middle class' and how hard it has been on them/you.

The ones complaining about the damage done to the middle class, are from the middle class... they fell out of the middle class into the pverty class... where a lot of us have been sitting for a while. There are people who work two and three jobs, just to make ends meet who have never even been considered close to being middle class.

There are whole segments of the population that don't get enough to eat, forget about anything else...

This is what I meant before when I posted (no clue where now) that trying to 'fix' the system for the middle class, or 'fixing' the internal US policies, wouldn't do anything.

You can't take people from the middle of the pack and make it better for them and think you did a good thing for anyone except them, and those that make money off of them because those at the top are not going to share more of theirs to make it happen. It will come from those below the middle class, and from some of the middle class being sacrificed... Not from the top and not to the bottom.

This relates back to me saying the politicians salaries should be tied to the average income level of their constituents (all of them even the homeless)... It's much easier to raise an average by raising the lowest numbers in it.

Middle class? Fuck, I'd love to be considered something close to that... When I see "X is destroying the middle class, the thought that crosses my mind is, oh more people living like I do".

All these protests, should be going around and finding the homeless that are in the cities they are in and invite them to come and stay and eat with them while the protests are going on. Not just because that is the right thing to do, but because if they don't, then they are just as guilty as the 1% of trodding on and ignoring those most in need.