Day of Rage on Wall Street! Protesters Occupy Brooklyn Bridge!

If people are going to fight, they ought to know what they're fighting against. The people running the show have no problems with people protesting the fat cats on Wall Street, who don't even come close to being at the top. Wall Street and its villains are simply the facade for American/world capitalism and greed, but it goes a lot deeper than that. If anything people should be in London protesting. London, not Wall Street, is the heart of the global banking system. It's also where it began. It's good to see people are getting angry about something other than their favorite team losing, but what is the intended outcome of the protesters? Is there one?

 

Who said these people are loyal to obama? Maybe I've been watching the wrong stuff.... obama is the one giving their money to wallstreet, in exchange for nothing. I don't THINK that's lost on then.

Socialism does NOT need to be an opposition to capitalism. I'm a capitalist socialist. I believe in property rights, FAIR trade (as opposed to "free" trade-fair means people can trade freely, free trade means corporations are free to fuck everyone over across national boundaries, etc) but I also don't think anyone should go un-cared for.

And so fuckwhat if the protesters are naive kids and don't know what they're protesting? They know something's royally fucked up, and that's a hell of a lot better than people who brush off the protests, or the idea that something's wrong.

Wallstreet doesn't have to be the actual center of capitalism to protest there, it's a symbol, as you should know damn well.

How does someone getting behind a movement discredit that movement? The westboro baptist church can agree with me, and I don't think it will make my opinion any less valid, JUST because morally questionable people ALSO agree with me.

If you want to see false grassroots, look at the tea party. There's no koch money here. There's not much money at all. Unless you think some shadowy political organization is ordering protesters pizza, while diverting the news media and pushing the police to brutalize them and violate their rights, to somehow usher in the new world order.

 

It does... but they are onto something there that could really help...

In amongst the other 'demands' that pop up, is one that would actually change the world, and 'could' be done... and that is to do away with the idea allowing corporations to be entities onto themself....

How many things would be different if, for any corporation (or government) there had to be a person who was accountable for the actions it took... as in personally accountable....

This idea that you can start a business, incorporate it and avoid personal responsibility is what has led us to here. Once there is no personal accountability, all things become possible, some just require more paperwork.

 

That all sounds really great, honestly. But why would the government all of a sudden decide to listen to the people when it never has? Again, the government is a vehicle of the banking system and corporations. I hear a lot of talk about regulations, which might do some good if the government regulators weren't in the hands of the same corporations and banks they're supposedly regulating. Just like I find it ironic that Obama speaks out (or pretends to speak out) against Wall Street and big business, when it's Wall Street and big business that bankrolled his campaign in the first place.

There is a lot of clever deception going on, and people need to be privy to it.

 

It won't 'all of the sudden' decide to...

It may as a result of a general walk out/shut down, which is where this could be leading to. Which is where I hope it is leading to, because it is the only way they (those in power) will accept that there is no other choice.

Stink was right earlier... The biggest thing is that this has to avoid going to violence... If it gets there, then everyone is fucked... There is zero chance of this succeeding as a violent revolution.

 

lol, yeah, well that's one of those things that is easier said then done...

Seriously, even if every government was suddenly taken over by aliens and all evidence was opened for the public, do you really think we would know everything we should?

For all we know, Douglas Adams had it right and at the hear of it all is a couple of white mice conducting an experiment... lol

However, we do the best we can with what we do know and can find out... We can second guess what 'might' be true forever and never do something.

I would rather see something being done to try to fix what we do know is wrong.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFVR9Nv43J4"]Obama Supporters "Occupy" DC - YouTube

 

Funny how that works isn't it? Watch the live unedited video feeds and you don't see things like this...

 

No, I understand. And you are absolutely right. There are lots of people there who do have a better understanding of what's going on than these people, but I worry those people might be aligning themselves with something they don't really understand in terms of how the mob can be utilized to work in favor of something that it appears to be against. I guess time will tell what all comes of this.

I don't want to get too conspiratorial sounding because that turns people away. All I am saying is that there is more than meets the eye with these protests. But I am not asking anyone to just believe what I am saying, either. I am simply trying to get people to ask bigger, more important questions.

 

Thats the same argument people were making against the uprising in the middle east, and as I said then, and as I said about this movement... Any chance for a change for the better is good, because what we have, isnt working.

 

Calling them obama supporters and showing a few makes it sound like that victory week holiday out of 1984. That's not what this is.

Or is that one and the same with hate week? I thought there's one in support of big brother. Not sure now.


Anyway, those are not the majority. Most people don't take time off from work and/or travel (or use unemployed time because of obama) to go "protest" in support of obama, and the things he's done.

Rat, if you're determined to only have perfect fixes for a fucked world, we'll lose the rest of it. You've got to take baby steps, and it's a lot better to have protesters than to NOT have protesters. You can be skeptical of anything you want, but at a point it gets pretty assenine. There's problems, protest it. The protest is loosely organized, and not of one mind by any means. If you don't like it, go join it and tell them what you've been telling us. They're doing a lot more than I see you doing.

 

I don't want to argue. I am willing to wait and see where this goes and what comes of it, if anything.

 

They are BOTH likely false grassroots. Why does it always have to be this side = good, that side= bad? That is how the Hegelian dialectic is used to create polarity so people don't see the big picture, and instead argue over which side is right when both are controlled by the same hand, much like the case with the Democrat and Republican parties. The system needs to create polarity to continue working in favor of the people in control of it and against you and I.

Also, I believe it's possible, if not likely that this Occupy Wall Street protest began as something genuine and well-intended. Keep in mind that the Tea Party was mostly bi-partisan before the Republicans took it over and made it partisan and political, discrediting its original message.

Now it appears that several big foundations and special interest groups liked to George Soros are getting behind the OWS protests.

My suspicion is that they could make this into the Tea Party of the left. Again, it's all about divide and conquer, as someone stated earlier.

Again, time will tell where this goes.

 

Which is why some of us find it so annoying that you seem intent on making sure there is a division in this movement.

 

Well, he was referring to divide and conquer in a different context I guess. I was referring to it in terms of the big picture.

So if there is no division here, there has to be a shared objective or an intended goal? What is it? Do the socialists and Obama supporters share the same objectives as the non-partisan, non-political people protesting the monetary system and the Federal Reserve as a whole? What is the united cause represented by OWS? What do you want to see happen as a result of these protests? You've been rather vague up until this point.

 

In other words, you did nothing to find out what this was all about before you came spouting off about it not doing anything?

 

The only thing that works would be to search all capitalists worldwide and cut their heads off.

Like a french revolution style

Here in Germany we had already the green party. Once in power they became corrupt and are now doing the same crimes as the rest of our gvt.

 

I have not read every page in this thread, but I did attend small Day of Rage rallies in Buffalo NY over the weekend. (Sat/Sun) Both were small groups under a hundred people meeting to discuss how to best organize people and stage local protest in our area. This movement is in its infancy and gets larger everyday. It does seem to be very unorganized right now because it is, and right now people are working very hard to pretty much keep it that way. This is to keep the movement viable and growing. We do not necessarily agree with each individuals reasons for participating in the protest but we dont have to. Every protester has their own agenda but the thing that we do agree with is that we are all getting fucked by the powers that be. This movement is going to get larger and larger as the word spreads and I really believe will grow into a force (political and economic) that will open the doors to the changes this country needs. The most important thing that one can do is try and participate in the process, make your voice heard and stand with the 99% and take our country back.

 

Case in point....

 

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