day job

that does sound pretty good. n' lemonade too

 

as long as ya strain out the seeds.

 

Uh.. are the seeds toxic?

 

i don't know, i still disagree. like, in your opinion, what do you need to do in order to maintain the discipline? just meditate a lot or what? i just don't really understand what you're trying to say i guess. just embracing the good and the bad? if that's the case, i'd still say there's no technique for that. like you said, you just feel unpleasantness out completely. but that doesn't really require technique or discipline in my opinion.

 

lmfao! Fellow Jersey'er here. (Machinist) Going to school for network administration. I think I might change to automotive though. Not sure....

 

but then again, i do understand what you are trying to convey i think. i don't know, i guess i'm really big on not trying in general, especially when it comes to spiritual attainment. when i get lost once again behind the veil of illusion i tend to just allow myself to be in that deluded state rather than trying to get past it through some technique or discipline, because i ALWAYS return once again to full clarity.

but i guess that's exactly what you're saying, is that you can do certain things to maintain the clarity all of the time. I can't necessarily disagree with that. i just don't do it. Nor do i necessarily know if it's necessary. I'm more interested in the observor behind the constant fluctuation of open-ness and closed-off-ness, which doesn't require technique whatsoever. it's already so. it's just simply looking.

I don't know, that's where i've been pointed, for better or for worse, and i don't really disagree with that sort of idea. Just basically what they're pointing to is that whether you feel open or numb that there's something witnessing all of it, and that you shouldn't cherish the open-ness too much or you're just chasing bliss and missing the point. or something like that? i don't know. i'm always down to learn more from anyone.

 

Though you are not showered with rose petals, and though you move from this statement to others in a conveyor belt of thought, the apex of wisdom has made an appearance. This is the great secret.

 

Not any more.

 

I definitely can agree with Chinacat's approach. In fact it's the same left-field and self-diverging approach that I'm famous for myself ha ha. It does make sense. If acid teaches you to just accept what is, and I think that's really a key teaching to any enlightenment, or higher thinking, than simply chasing that higher conscious feeling is just doing the same thing but on a different level. Though I agree it can probably be fun, fulfilling, or educational, but you will probably be chasing that "understanding" for the rest of your life.

Tho, like he said as well, I'm not sure if that's a bad thing or a waste of time neither. I definitely agree with the sentiment that even after an amazing acid trip, you WILL come down somewhat back to normal, and it's going to take continues acid trips to keep doing down that road anyways, so at some point you may have to take the experience as just a one-time thing.

Who knows. Always much to learn.

BIG Edit: After reading Mr. Writer's and PB's take on 'enlightenment,' it totally changes any argument my post had. They seemed to have a more "down to earth" perspective on what it is and means.

I don't know, but I was much surprised happy to find that in this thread. Haha. Now I'm going backwards to try and read and catch up on the topic.

 

i can't tell if i'm supposed to take this statement personally or if it's just an all-encompassing statement.

but i am glad that you made a response because i was just about to ask where mr. writer is in all of this because i could use his insight.

 

I sell drugs and grow drugs and make drugs and do drugs.

 

I'm a baker, I bake artisan breads and pasteries for a local restaurant.

 

"im in love!
Everyone will end up hating me eventually."


I'm in love too. I think I'll postpone that eventuality as long as possible.

 

Spoiler alert, drat.

I'm replying to the line you quoted. That is it. That is what you are looking for. Read carefully what you wrote. This is the ultimate lesson of the highest order. This is what you would walk away from after 50 years in the himalayas with the 'most enlightened' people, if you were lucky, or perceptive.

There is no path. You are in a state of constant arrival.

 

right on broha

 

its easy to take a birds eye view of the cosmic picture and say that "of course! everything is harmonious and in balance all the time...everything is as it should be, nothing to do. we'r all buddhas and living perfection."
yes thats true, thats the highest vision i am capable of seeing. but that dosent mean i am capable of expireincing and feeling that all the time...if i intend to, iv got to charge up this realization and carry it into my daily encounters so that i can actually feel the harmony and not just intellectually understand it in theory....iv got to transmute my attitudes, emotions, and thoughts that dont support or reflect this position of harmony within myself in the moment.

iv realize that words like maintanence and disapline are unpopular terms. especially in a crowd that sees everything as being as it should...everything is as it should be.
what i mean by these terms is just that its important to really feed yourself. not just the body, but the mind and spirit as well. what kind of attitude do you hold and process reality with, and how does it nurish you? the quality of what you take in (through your attitude) shapes who you are and how you feel... this shapes the nature of your relationship with both your inner and outer worlds....is it balanced and harmonius or not? if it is, then it only is until somthing comes along and throws off the balance, (somthing always comes and does this) okay then... process... transmute....get back on track....maintain your inner vision.

we're going to be doing this until we die (probably even after...who knows)
everything consistant in life, including our attitudes requires sustinance, and maintanence, because everything is in a continual state of degredation and decay. change.... thats just part of what it means to be alive.

 

The balancing act isn't between inner and outer worlds. The storms in the atmosphere reflect the storms in our consciousness, just as the storms in our consciousness reflect the storms in the atmosphere. Storms are cause by uneven heating. Mastery is to pick it up and lay it down at will.

 

Sounds like good times

 

i agree completely

 

there is no great effort required for what you describe. Single celled organisms did this a long time ago, and here they are. Here we are. This is what the universe does . . . breathe in, breathe out.