Thank god for education, the internet, and free speech which really does allow our generation to see through all the bullshit that the previous generations tried to pull off. (I'm sure that HHB will appreciate this statement) I really do think that it's about time for the baby-boomers to die off. This is a good country, a free country, but it does need a strong change in leadership in order to keep it that way. Anyhow, yeah. I'm telling my American friends to vote Obama. They'll listen too.
I hardly call suggesting that Pakistan is a more strategic consequence than Iraq an endorsement of bombing. Some people are just more inclined to believe it. Another thread in the politics forum suggested Obama's speech on increasing the peace corps was calling for a secret service. Some people just get off on this stuff.
Stick to the arguments I make if you're responding to my posts, lode. I meant Afghanistan as opposed to Iraq. Which is just as much a fictitious "threat."
Haha Thanks we love you too. We need strong change Vote Obama. Of course they will listen he is cool he is hip and he has no leadership in him at all but he looks good. peace
I'll make whatever argument fits Prax. In the sense that it was a safe governmentally funded training ground for the people who attacked us on September 11tth. And it's a desperate country with the largest diaspora population in the world which needs to be rebuilt by US, who invaded. I completely support our mission in Afghanistan.
Right. Destroy in order to "rebuild" it. Or, create a threat in order to invade. The oldest colonialist schema ever.
Right. Because the U.S. political system is inherently good and incapable of hegemonic designs. That's for cockeneyed conspiracy theorists to suspect. :cheers2:
Prax, Afghanistan is a tricky region. You could claim that the US ignored it, then armed it because of the Communist threat (just like it armed many other nations during the Red Scare), then it realized that arming Islamic fundamentalists isn't a good idea, destroyed it, and now will rebuild it. That's as simple as it gets. Ofcourse there may be a lot of corruption there, and so on and so forth. But... ehh... that's not too relevant to the modern day. I don't know if the invasion achieved much, but I sure am glad that Al Quaida was dealt a pretty big blow. (arguably until Iraq... but still a blow). Most of you Americans weren't aware of Al Quaida until 9/11. We've known the bastards for years in Russia and Israel.
Suggesting that one conspiracy is moronic is certainly the same thing as saying that all of Americas political designs are benevolent and conspicuous.
BSR, the Soviet Union had collapsed for over a decade when 9/11 took place. The relationship between the U.S. and Taliban and the bin-Laden family continued to be fostered after the Soviet collapse. Don't tell me it was just an oversight. "Oops." P.S. Clinton refused bin-Laden when he was captured in Sudan in 1995. The Sudanese government itself offered to hand him over.
Really. Because that's exactly the relationship you're making. Whenever I make an argument that there might be a hegemonic design, you act like I'm a conspiracy looney. VERY old trick. P.S. I could call you names too, you know? For one: "sheeple." :biggrin:
Nothing is just an oversight in politics. Relationships are mostly economic. Surely there was something to profit from it.