christian theology holds the belief of original sin-it is said to be the condition of every human being which resulted from the fall of eve and adam who were the first human beings created by god-however,the term original sin is not found in the bible-it is a concept which early christian theologians developed to explain the need for redemption and salvation by christ-they cite specific texts as implying oringinal sin-these inculde romans 7:1 john 5:19, and luke 11:13- because of this first sin by adam and eve,all humanity is said to have lost the grace of god-under this view it has been understood that the sin of adam and eve is endlessly transmited to all human beings-in a sense this notion of original sin is correct,but not in the sense that the masses of christian followers have come to understand-people have been guilty of committing the sin of eating from the tree of knowledge of good and evil from the begining of time,that is losing their sense of oneness with all creation,but they have done so on their own and not as a form of evil inheritance from adam and eve-human beings have tasted of the knowledge of duality and egoism,and these kind of people separated from their knowledge of the higher self-in this respect the people are comittting the sin of ignorance and egoism-the soul came to believe that it was seperate and individual,that it is not connected to god,and therefore,sin and its ramifications arise-sin is the feeling of separation from god as well as the acts that arise out of this state of ignorance-in a broad context sin is anything that takes a person away from discovering their true self or knowledge of the truth-the devil in later and christian and hebrew belief is equated with "the supreme spirit of evil",who for all time has been ruling over a kingdom of all evil spirits,and is in constant oppistion to god-the word devil is derived from the latin diabolus,and from the greek diablos,which is an adjective that means slanderous-it is also used in ancient greek as a noun to identify a specfic person as being a slanderer-the term "diabolos" was used for the septuagint or greek translation of the jewish bible,not refering to human beings,but in order to translate the hebrew word ha-satan (the satan),an expression which was originally used as one of the members of the divine court whose function was to act like a roving spy for god-satan gathered intelligence about human beings during his travels on earth-thus originally ,satan meant "an opponet and not a particular being with actual existence-at around the 6th century b.c.e.,satan appears in the old testament as an individual angel that is subordinate to god-gradually as jewish and christian tradition developed around this idea,satan became known as the personality who was the source of all evil,and was responsible for leading human beings into sin-this caracter was most likely influenced by the ancient egyptian god,set,who killed his own brother-however,even set was never seen as the "source of evil itself" until the late dynastic period,which was when the jewish people were living in egypt-this notion of a person who causes evil in human beings is extremely dangerous because it allows people with poor moral development to shirk responsibility for their actions-in later jewish tradition ,and therefore also in christian thought,this title became a proper name-satan was then seen as personified adversary not only to humans beings,but also primarily of god-the development of the devil as the personified evil adversary probibly arose from the early jewish and christian assotiation with dualistic theologys of persia as well as the dualistic philosophy of zoroaster and the misunderstanding of the egyptian caracter set-in some segments of jewish theology, the idea of satan developed as an evil impulse-human beings are seen as susceptible to a force,which is outside of,and separate from them-therefore,with this view it is possible for a human being to become possessed by the evil force and coerced into wrongdoing-jesus was seen as the savior who broke the power of the devil over human beings-this view is dangerous because it negates the power of the human mind to control itself,the power of free will-it also opens the door to superstion and imagination about supernatural beings,which are in reality symbols mistaken as real beings that exist in fact-if satan were the true adversary of god,this would mean that god is not omnipotent because there is a being who can limit his power-so the teaching of satan must be correctly understood in order to aviod error and misunderstanding in ones spiritual movement
1)ptah conceived in his heart (reasoning consciousness-mind) all that would exist and at his utterance (the word- will,power to make manifest),created nun,the primeval waters (unformed matter-energy). 2)then not having a place to sit ptah causes nun to emerge from the primeval waters as the primeval hill so that he may have a place to sit.atom then emerges and sits upon ptah.then came out of the waters four pairs of gods and goddesses,the ogdoad (eight gods) 3)nun (primeval waters) and nunet (heaven) 4)huh (boundlessness) and huhet (that which has boundaries) 5)kuk (darkness) and kuket (light) 6)amon (the hidden) and amonet (that which is manifest) 7)the neteru(nun,nunet,huh,huhet,kuk,kuket,amon,amonet) are the lips and teeth of (gods) mouth which speaks the names of all things which come into existense. 8)the heart and tongue have power over all the limbs.god is found as the heart within all bodies,and in the mouth of each neter and all humans as the tongue (will),of all things that live...it is god who thinks (as the heart) and comands (as the tongue). 9)that which the nose breathes,the eyes see,the ears hear;all of these(senses) are comunicated to the heart. it is the heart (mind) which makes all knowledge and awareness manifest.and then the tongue is what repeats what the heart has thought. 10)all divine utterances manifested themselves through the thoughts of the heart and the commandments of the tongue. 11)justice is done to they who do what is loved,punishment to they who do what is hated.life is given to they who are peacefull,death is given to the criminal. 12)in truth god (ptah) caused the neteru to be born,the creation of the cities,establishment of the nomes,the establishment of the neteru in their places of adoration.god made their likenesses according to their desire.thereby,the neteru intered into their bodies,the variety of wood,all types of mineral,clay,and all things that grow from these and in which they have taken place,foods,provisions,and all good things ...he (ptah) is heru (horus) 13)thus is it to be understood that ptah is the mightest of all divinities.
there is a very ancient philosophy from which the theology of the gods heru and ra and goddess net arises.in pre-dynastic times (before 5,500 b.c.e.),egyptian doctrine held that there is a realm of light (beyond our physical universe) where food,clothing and our bodies are of light,and further,that we will exist for all eternity as beings of light along with other beings of light.this realm of light may be likened to the modern esoteric notion of an astrial plane of existance.the physical realm (earth) is a reflection or shadow of this astrial reality. in dynastic times,the doctrine of the realm of light and of a single god of whom creation is composed survived in the earliest texts.in chapter 64 of the egyptian book of coming forth by day (prt m hru),god is refered to as "the one who sees by his own light" and "atum in the western horizon and heru in the east".hence "lord of two faces",who is in reality only one,is similar to the chinese tao philosophy with the singularity which is composed of two opposite but complementary forces.
the story related in the ancient egyptian papyrus of nesi amsu is that the primeval god laid an egg in the primeval formless waters from which the god himself emerged.this primordial god who emerged out of the waters created or emanated ra-tem-nefertum,the sun or life force,dejhuti the carrier of divine word or creative medium,and maat,the principle of cosmic order and regularity.the underlying emphasis was on the fact that all of these,including human beings and the phenomenal world,are in reality emanations from that same prmeval ocean.this means that there is one primordial essence for all things,be they plants,humans,gods and goddesses. so in ancient egypt the god ra,the "great cackler" emerges from the egg.ra is the "golden sun" who creates the world as khepri,the creator. from the ancient hymns of amun: 1)he is self-created and as he fashioned himself,none knows his forms. 2)he became in primeval time;no other being existed:there was no other god with him to declare his form,all the gods came into being after him. 3)he had no mother by whom his name was made.he had no father who begat him,saying,"it is even myself".he shaped his own egg.he mingled his seed with his body to make his egg to come into being within himself.his unity is absolute.amun is one - one. in mystical philosophy god is the self.the self is a self-existent being which transcends concepts of creation and created.the self emerged out of the self and what emerged is none other than the self.creation and the self are one and the same.god is the undivided principle that assumes the names and forms which human beings call objects and the varied life forms which are in existence.
Christianity "stole" or "borrowed" if you will so much shit from various "cults" throughout their existence. Mainly the following though: Dionysos, Isis, Orphism, Osiris, Attis, Mithras, and Eleusis (Hope I spelled those right). Have any of you ever heard of the vegetation theory? Many of the cults Gods were based off the agricultural cycle, aka the death and rebirth of plants. Many pagan gods were known for their occurrence of having risen from death. Some of them were even on the third day as well. The key difference however is that none of those gods were reported to have returned to earth, they simply beat death if you will. The Greko-Roman religions had a major impact on Christianity, and it just so happens that Egypt, the Levant and Persia were all absorbed into this "empire," along with their ideals and culture. Mysteries were common amongst most if not all of these cults, just as they/it is present in Christianity. For example the mysteries of Dionyosis and Isis. Usually one individual would be initiated into the mysteries of the set deity. Each cult clearly varied in their "rite," however in most cases "it" took place in a group and was conducted by a priest or priests. During this rite things would be exposed (shown), heard, and staged. It was suppose to give the initiate an experience of what true reality is. A similar concept in Christianity is Baptism. This rite is suppose to link the initiate with Jesus Christ and all his experiences. And as we all know as Jesus is God and vise-versa also linking the individual to the father and the holy spirit. Basically the Christian equivalent of the reception of insight and experience of the given god. In both there is also the ideal of a new and transformed life and a "resurrection" if you will to a new one in which happiness is now attainable. The baptismal rite supposidly lays out God's role in the universe, just as the pagan initiate would receive insight as to their deities god's role. I could go on all day on this subject, but I suppose it's best I do not...after all I'd rather hear what you guys have to say.
the word christ is not a name but a title,like vice-president is a title.christ means: he or she whose head is anointed with oil or the anointed one.horushood or christhood refers to certain qualities exhibited by mythological or historical personalities as symbols representing the potential state of enlightenment of every sentient being in the universe. christs are those persons who have attained complete purification of their psychological personality.they experience cosmic consciousness,the experience of being one with everything.this is a state of supreme bliss that comes from becoming one with ones essential nature:GOD.this is a state which cannot be achieved through the earthly pleasures or relationships.as explained in the egyptian book of coming forth by day,those who live in virtue (maat) with a pure heart will know all there is to know and be all there is to be;through their horushood (attaining the qualitys of horus which are:truth,righteousness and justice,inner vision-the eye of horus),they will have defeated the enemies of osiris (greed,ignorance,impiety,egoism) as personified by set,the evil one. so salvation comes from attaining horushood,that is,becoming horus through a life of virtue,wisdom,courage and self-knowledge.those who become a horus,christ or buddha have attained the consciousness that survives death and will live on after their death of the body,being free from ignorance which leads to reincarnation. so there is no one christ.everyone can potentially become a christ if they follow the path of masters such as horus,jesus,buddha,lao tzu,etc. or the path laid out by modern day masters. when cosmic consciousness is attained,an annointing occurs with an etheric oil,secreted from the energy centers into the brain and bodys circulatory system including the heart.the body and mind are transcended and one experiences a higher level of existence beyond the joys and sorrows of the world.christhood means to attain the beatific vision of oneself as GOD.one becomes consciously established in the realization that one is GOD; this is in contrast to the masses of people who are aware only that they are a perishable body of flesh and bones.
"nebertcher saith,i am the creator of what hath come into being,and i myself came into being under the form of the god khepera,and i came into being in primeval time.i had union with my hand,and i embraced my shadow in a love embrace;i poured seed into my own mouth,and sent forth from myself issue in the form of the gods shu and tefnut.i came into being in the form of khepera,and i was the creator of what came into being,i formed myself out of the primeval matter.my name is ausares (osiris). i was alone,for the gods and goddesses were not yet born,and i had emitted from myself neither shu or tefnut.i brought into my own mouth,hekau,and i forthwith came into being under the form of things which were created under the form of khepera.
Creation manifests as three aspects.This teaching is expressed in the ancient egyptian statement: I was one and then i became three and Neberdjer: Everything is amun ra ptah,three in one.Neberdjer manifests as amun ra ptah.In this teaching,amun represents the witnessing consciousness,ra represents the mind and senses,and ptah represents matter and all physical manifestation.Therefore,the trinity owes its existance to the one.The realization of the underlying unity,the oneness behind the multiplicity of the trinity,gives profound insight into the true nature of the divine and the way to discover the supreme self.When a spiritual aspirant begins to understand that the underlying basis behind creation,meaning the consciousness or idenity,the senses and mind,the perceptions of the physical universe,is in reality the one supreme spirit,they begin to turn away from the world of ordinary human existance,to discover the self within,and to know thyself.
There are four main trinity systems which became prominent in ancient kamit.All the deities emerged at the same time,but their prominence as individually worshipped divinities occurred at diffrent times in ancient egyptian history.Amun Ra Ptah is first.Arising out of each of these,a new trinity of male(father),female(mother),and child emerges.Thus,we have:Amun Mut Khonsu (wasetian tradition),Asar Aset Heru (asarian tradition),and Ptah Sekhmet Nefertum (memphite tradition).Khonsu and nefertum are aspects of heru (horus).Therefore,the origin (neberdjer) and product (khonsu,nefertum and heru) of all traditions are one and the same.This is an example of a correlative theological statement.The main trinity system related to the prt m hru (book of the dead) is based on Ra,Asar Aset and Heru.when dealing with wasetian theology,the trinity system and mythology related to Amun Mut Khonsu and the main scriptures of this tradition are the hymns of amun.When dealing with hetkaptah or menefer (memphite),the main trinity system and mythology are related to the divinities Ptah Sekhmet Nefertum and the main scripture of this tradition is the shabaka inscription.Thus,it is clear that while each divinity system has a clearly defined mythology and mystery teaching related to it,they all are in effect related to each other in the broad context of an all encompassing set of complementary principles which emerge from the same source and which together are more than the sum of their parts,when put together they transcend any polytheistic concept and produce a picture of universal wholeness.Indeed,they represent a harmonious family,whose members are all descended from the same ancestor.
The divinities representing virtue (heru) and vice (set) actually make peace and in so doing foment a sema or union.They tie the lotus and papyrus plants (upper egypt-lower egypt,higher self and lower self).In the same manner,the aspirant who wants to overcome the vices needs to engender a movement towards virtue.This allows the personality to become purified and the lower nature is subdued,and then the true essential being (heru) emerges shining brightly to illuminate the individual and all who come into contact with him. Heru and set join forces to tie up the symbol of union (sema).The sema symbol refers to the union of upper egypt (lotus) and lower egypt (papyrus) under one ruler,but also at a more subtle level,it refers to the union of ones higher self and lower self (heru and set),as well as the control of ones breath (life force) trough the union (control) of the lungs.Further,it refers to the practace and understanding of the mysteries of the mind.By developing intuitive vision,the dualistic understanding of oneself and creation is transformed into the vision of union (sema).The character of heru and set are an integral part of the pert em heru (book of the dead). The central and most popular character within ancient egyptian religion of asar (osiris) is heru,who is an incarnation of his father,asar.Asar is killed by his brother set who,out of greed and demoniac (setian) tendency,craved to be the ruler of egypt.With the help of djehuti (thoth),the god of mind,aset (isis),the great mother and hetheru,his consort,heru prevailed in the battle against set for rulership of kamit (egypt).Heru's struggle symbolizes the struggle of every human being to regain rulership of the higher self and subdue the lower self. The most pressing issue after the resurrection of asar in the asarian resurrection myth is the succession of the throne of ancient egypt.Set killed asar to steal the throne and then heru grows up to challenge set to the throne.Their battle is recounted in at least 3 versions of the myth.The battle itself is recounted and illustrated at the temple of heru in egypt.
The pharaoh is regarded as a divinity but not in the sense of an ordinary god or goddess.He or she is actually a human being but also heir to a divine inheritance,entrusted with the management of the physical realm.This is one of the oldest traditions of kushite-kamitan-neterian culture.The pharaoh is entrusted with power to rule over the land and provide for the needs of the people with the blessing of the divine and with permission of the divine.Men or women could hold the power of pharaonic rulership.The succession of rulership descends through the line of divinities leading to pharaoh.Ra was the first king after he created the world.Then shu took over and after him geb became king.Then geb gave rulership to his son asar.Asar was murdered by set and set became king until he was challenged by heru-ur.Heru-ur vanquished set and became king.Heru-ur and his consort,goddess tasenetnofret (aspect of hetheru) had a child,panebtawy.Panebtawy means the lord of two lands.Panebtawy is the divine child who grows up to be the ruler of egypt.Therefore,all pharaohs are recognized as being panebtawys,as manifestations of heru on earth.So when the ruler is alive on earth he or she is referred to as panebtawy (heru-lord of the earth).When the ruler dies they are referred to as asar (resurrected) and their own heir takes over as the new panebtawy,heru-ur.Asar assimilates into geb and ra in the form of the bennu.So the soul reverts back to its original essence from earth to the heavens.
Does all that make sense to you? It seems pretty incoherent to me. What exactly are you trying to say? Is this your personal belief, or a lecture on ancient Egyptian mythology? I like mythology, too. Are you familiar with Quetzalcoatl and Tezcatlipoca? What about Ahura mazda and Ahriman? What do Horus and Set have that they haven't got? and where does Serapis fit into the picture? I'm sure you're also familiar with the Hindu Trimurti, and the role of Krishna. It would certainly help if you could cite your sources, so that we can tell whether or not you know what you're talking about.
Im pretty sure he cites sources at diff points in the thread, but most of this should be pretty basic for someone smart enough to toss Ahura Mazda out in conversation Im glad this thread is still going, its great to see some egyptology being practised.
I dunno, man. I looked thru the threads and didn't see any. Anyhow, this seemed like the kind of thread a bloke could toss Ahura Mazda out in conversation and not seem too pretentious. But I agree. Nuthin' like a little Egyptology to liven things up! Ancient Egyptian religion had a long run, and proved adaptive to a variety of historical conditions, including the Ptolemaic and Roman occupations. But it's mostly over. Pharaoh is dead and with the stars. Abrahamic religions rule a lot of the world and Egypt. Egyptian beliefs have always held a fascination for the mystically inclined, but the "people of the book" have taken over, and whatever influences from Egypt on their religions are speculative, though intriguing. Isis ditched her living dead husband Osiris for Serapis long ago (who could blame her?), and I doubt that Horus is comin' back. So where do we go from here? To answer that, I'd have to figure out what you're tryin' to say, which is a challenge amidst all the complexity. Somewhere in all this, I recall a statement about Egyptian dualism relating to our own inner struggle with contradictions. That's an interesting thought (unless I made it up). There are also fascinating parallels between Egyptian myths and similar ones in other religions, suggesting possible archetypes. For example, the temptation stories: Seth vs. Horus, Buddha vs. Maya, Quetzalcoatl vs. Tezcatlipoca, Jesus vs. Satan. Also, important differences. Anyhow, if the Heru myth is important to you in some way, as it obviously is for the OP, that's good enough for me. If you or the OP want to have a discussion about it, as you seem to do (why else would you post) you or he might make a little clearer just what it is that's so appealing about it--in forty words or less.
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