crochet hook dreadlocks

lol I highly doubt she is "upset". It's just the internet.

And if everyone called everyone out on stuff they didnt agree with, this forum would be in even more chaos than it's current state. What happened to the whoel let's get along and if we don't agree with someone, just not comment.

Seems like you guys just wait to call him out. Who cares if he posts what he claims to be facts? Alot of people give stupid info on here and you guys never say anything. And it's not like your going to go and do what he says. Dreads are a learning process and maybe the processes he suggests will work for some people an if they don't, they learned how not to dread their hair. Most people go through a couple sets of locks anyways

 

I don't like mis-imformation being put out there. You can ask Luxie how I argued with her about Lush shampoo bar ingredients. That also shows you that I will call anyone on backing up their facts. I love Lux, but I didn't agree with the info she was putting out there and I said so.
I don't play favourites, and I don't have a vendetta against SE. I'll say it again, I just wanna learn from reliable sources. His claims are pretty wild and I want to know if there is any truth in what he says. If crocheting does make your locks fall off, then I want to know, so I don't use that method on my head or anyone elses.

 

this is true. i know her from the other place where she posts lots, and she really does always ask for research to be cited. i also have a problem with opinions being claimed as facts by anyone because that can be very misleading (plus, frustrating to those who have experience to the contrary). thats reasonable, right? i dont think all this fighting is very cool though. and im sick of soaringeagle saying the same old stuff and no one seems to be changing their ways at all. ive voiced most of the arguments that i felt were necessary and backed them up thoroughly so it just makes me feel tired when i think of more arguing about the same shit. this is exactly what i was talking about in the "se signature" thread. the arguments get dragged all over the forum.

 

google crottetting dreads caused dread breakage.. many things come up the very 1st one had this
Ardell McCoy says: July 25, 2006 at 6:51 am
Question:
Due to the fine texture of my hair, my dreads are pretty thin. They are now shoulder length and every 3-4 weeks I get them tightened with the crochet type hook. Now I am experiencing alot of breakage at the scalp level and, the dread appears to be thinner than ever.
What could be causing this breakage? Is it the hook approach pulling the lock through the new growth? I am disheartened when I see a dread fall out or snapping off an inch from the scalp. Any suggestions as to what could be the cause. I am in my early 60’s but I don’t lean to baldness. HELP…

 

Thank you for the link SE.

ETA: I looked through the first page of google responses, and the only one that supports the claim of damage from crochet is the one that was posted by SE on this thread. There was one other post on a tribe forum, but it linked back to HF as a source of info, so I won't rely on that.

I'll keep reading though, see what else I might find.

 

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20070108203156AAqpAym
again a loctition blamnes her having a baby and not having the rootrs recrochetted but again its the crochetting itself that caused the breakage

these are just the 1st 3 links out of many

i once agasin chyallange anyone to explaun how a solid metal object can pass through a solid mass of fibers without breaking any fibers
and we will not go into magic time travel guantum singularities or questioning wether the hook or the drewad actualy exist
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lets stick to simple logic..netal rod goes through mass of tighjtly bound hair ..hair must break to alow rod to pass

i think u learn this in 4th grade or so

 

If I had the time and patience, I'd definitely crochet my dreads. I love the look and I do get easily frustrated with my "fly away" rebel hairs. I'm not too worried about it, but if you have the means to do it, I'd go for it.

What I never understood about claims of crocheting being "damaging" to your hair is that dreading in and of itself damages your hair. It's knotting and breaking on it's own; I know my hair does, and they're pretty much natural. I get little tiny, tiny hairs (think smaller than an eyebrow hair) that fall out of my dreads sometimes. Hair breaks when it knots and twists; crocheting just makes it a little neater.

I wouldn't worry about your dreads falling off, I think that's a bit extreme and probably not the likely scenario when it comes to crocheting dreads.

(And for the record, I didn't see anyone jump on SE initially for no reason. I think those on the "other side of the fence" trying to prevent the "drama" are already expecting drama at every turn, and then hype up something that really wasn't a big deal/not dramatic. I think we all have to stop jumping down one another's throats with cynical cries of "DRAMA STARTER! H8ER! MAH DREADIEZZ R BETTA THAN URZ!!!")

 

finally!!
though this confuses me: "Is it the hook approach pulling the lock through the new growth?" and sounds like root flipping?? which.. yeah that could do it.

so now were at....
"crocheting-makes-ur-dreads-fall-off" : 1,
"crocheting isnt a big deal" : unknown but large number

plus, that is not an in person testimonial so i still dont feel comfortable taking it as any kind of fact. especially since we have pleeenty of in person testimonials to the contrary.
but thank you se to take the time to copy-paste something (while still neglecting to link us back there but i suppose thats a little to much to ask at this point) in an attempt to back yourself up.

sry if thats a big block of text with no paragraphs... i have to access this site through a proxy today for some reason and its making my posts all weird.

edit: jeeesus christ that was a painful jumble. sorry for anyone who took the time to pick through it, its better now.

 

I'm sorry, maybe I'm being a nit-picky bitch, but a 60 year old man and a woman going through post-partum hormone changes are not exactly the best case studies for this. I can think of numerous reasons that could have caused damage/weakness to their locks, besides a crochet hook.

Any other cases that have little to no outside factors to contribute to locks breaking off?

Man...I'm such a geek. I wish I could set up a controlled study on this.

 

Pretty much

He gave you proof and you still don't believe him.

 

Just wanted to show this link http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewPicture&friendID=148109666
of the person i mention who can do the crochet hook dreadlocks.You will see all his work and a lot of people that are pleased with his dreading skills.
i was kinda impressed by the photos and really like the look of the dreads.If i do go through with it,ill let you guys know if my hair falls out lol

 

Hi i think the crocheting of existing dreadz is a fantastic way of controlling stray hairs i use a 1mm hook it pokes through the dread with ease and pulls through again nicely i have maintained my own and my friends dreads using this technique i dont see how it could damage dreads as it verry rarly brakes any hair unless rushed. i have seen a larger hook used to do root fliping which i can see can cause breakage but in my experience using small hooks to blunten tips and weave small clumps of baby and loose hairs works really well. cool

 

Proof is not the same as evidence. And I applaud soaringeagle for going out of his way to finally back up his claims with more than hit counts on google as evidence. I haven't looked at his links yet but I will get around to it. :cheers2:

 

Beautiful! We really need more people with personal experience. I'll check out the link soon.

 

those are some really fake looking dreads, im not saying they look like synthetic dreads but too perfect makes them look so rediculousely manufactured zero personality
and if u look close they have a definate woven look well not even too close


oh and bcmomma i know ppl in theyre 70'3 and older with dreads as long as mine or longer with no sign of breaking, both of those were breaking off at the roots
..breaking, leaving lil stubs they say the hair fell out they said it broke off


now if you want to do a case study..try pushing any size hook through your dread
if it slides through wioth no resistence at all (if its own weight will be enough to make it go through) then probly no hairs are being broken
but if u have to push at all..you are breaking hairs..the amount of effort it takes to slice through hairs is probably measured in grams

silk fibers are way way stronger then hjair
take a fine silk shirt and poke a hook through it..and then tell me how undammaged it is

keep in mind silk is about 0.01 inch thick or thinner the fibers u break in that tiny lil space would be mulitplied by a factor of thousands in a 1 inch rthick dread

 

and nz tripper
breaking 1 hair u woukldnt notice only when your brewakjing bundles of like 15 at a time would u even notice

again i said before using it only where theres room betwaeen hairs,..at tipsand roots wont do too mucvh dammage but through the tight masses iot has to dammage..
and doing anything to the roots is counter productive

 

Yes, I have just been thinking about this. Maybe it would be a good idea to create a new thread or a poll or something for people who have crotcheted to share their experiences as no one seems to be able to agree. Anyone think this would be a good idea? Of course it would only work if the thread didn't end up into a crotchet bitch fight

I personally haven't seen anyone since trawling through the main three forums over the years who has complained of damage from crocheting. The closest I can think of was Phil complaining a while back of one of his dreads being too thin, whether that was a direct result of crotcheting is another matter, if that could be seen as damage anyway.

Other than that there was a guy on knottylocks who had his dreads crotcheted from the start and has since neglected, (I think). I haven't heard him complain. I'm sure there were other people here who posted with crotcheted dreads, maybe if we created a thread they would come forward?

I can't really be sure since I haven't ever done it, but to me it would seem logical that when you crotchet dreads it would just part the dreads rather than break the hairs. Like I say, I can't prove it and I'm not about to try, not because I'm scared it would cause damage, but because I don't see it as being necessary and can't be bothered to fiddle around with a crotchet hook to learn how to do it.

 

Pat&Chaos - if it seemed kinda like a totally unwarranted argument popped up from nowhere, I think it was partially continued from a thread a few weeks back that turned into a bit of a crochet war lol - dunno if you were reading here back then or not, but just thought it was worth mentioning as a background story there

Myself, I don't really know for sure. I imagine doing too much of any one thing can harm dreads, whereas a little of a lot of things is probably no big deal *shrug* Some more personal testimonials would help with this crochet matter probably.

 

im working on mine, im at work so i'll post it when i've managed to do it

 

can't comment on the long-term damage that crochetted may/may not cause, but I do know of one person who started their dreads by crochetting and maintained them for the first few months this way. She then got bored with the faff and has left it be.

With reference to SE's initial post: I can certainly see where he gets his "woven texture" assessment from, but I think how "woven" they look depends on the thickness of the hair strands being pulled through (the thicker, the more woven its going to look). There are several dready ends on this person's head that look almost plaited from where she was keen to deal with her new-dread fuzziness and abundance of loose hairs. Fortunately the dreading process has now swallowed most of these ends up, but they are still quite distinct from the un-crochetted growth at the roots.