creation or evolution

We're actually doing about Creationism in school right now. I think Creationism makes Christianity on the whole look stupid. It's like.. In the higher up sets in school, you study the books with levels of meaning on it. With the lower sets, you study less meaningful books. Creationism seems to be followed by the lower sets; interpreting it as they do.

Having said that, I know few Creationists, but know of more. And if someone wants to follow it I have no issues with that.

 

you're a fucking idiot.

 

If it's evolution, we're in trouble https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VntFEWF8I8A

 

Lots of civilizations also believed in a flat earth and humors in the body. Must mean they are true as well.

1) There's also a lot of "holes" in the theory of gravity, and in quantum theory. I guess there's no such thing as gravity or electrons, since we don't understand them 100%.

2) So the Genesis story does not have holes?

3) This is like if you had two books, one telling you "the sky is blue-green" and one telling you "the sky is purple". You pick up the former, disagree and say "nah I dont really see any green up there, too many holes here" and then believe the Purple Sky theory because it's the only other one you've got in front of you.

Great, another creationist who doesn't understand how science or critical thinking works. I think ultimately if we could fix the school systems to be more rigorous and focus on analytical thinking we could really thin out this whole fairy tale population.

Oh, it does? Oh, good. Then you won't have problems linking me to some reputable websites where "science" "disproves" "evolution" (items in quotation marks because it's obvious you understand none of those concepts).

 

Nesta man me and you both know life comes from life .I'm not an idiot I just think we shouldn't but so much faith in science as its always changing and there will always be new and contorvercial evidence controdicting the idea of exsistance but spiritualty no matter how versitile always has the same message .Quantum physics is pointing us in the direction of a greater force at work.

 

"life comes from life"?

so creationism CANT be right!:cheers2:

 

No you need life to make life so someting had to create it .I dont know how or when it was created but it had to be created.Something greater sparked it off.

 

you don't appear to have a grasp of empiricism or the scientific method.

but that doesnt mean you do not.

as it is, i believe in a god or gods. i don't necessarily believe in any creation myth or even its necessity.

there are other possible solutions. there are a number of plausible hypotheses posited in regards to abiogenesis. none of these require a greater leap of faith than the idea that "god did it" but they are all falsifiable, making them far superior propositions from a scientific standpoint.

saying "god did it" and leaving it at that is a cop out. god started it, i firmly believe this. but basically you're saying "the process is too hard to understand, so why look for a rational explanation anyway?"

 

i like to think of the bible as "the book of gossip and lies"

written by patriarchs, for patriarchs...

and you know how gossip is...

"bobby found a dollar...he then bought some candy"

turns into:

"bobby found 10 dollars and bought three bags of candy"

now,
rumors tend to either be cumulative and/or twisted half truths after about a week...i wonder what a rumor would be like after two millenia...it seems to me that logically it would be flat out bullshit and not to be taken seriously...but alas...most humans immerse themselves in bullshit, and tend to feed it too...

 

I do understand it and I understand the Questions too .Science proves alot but it leaves as many Questions as it answers .And as soon as someone questions it ,they get questioned .I want answers not arguments .

 

you'll have to deal with disappointment, because the answers aren't there

 

Creationism is a lie.

 

Get thee under thy bridge.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/08/03/magazine/03trolls-t.html?_r=4&pagewanted=1&hp

 

Youll never get a fucking answer now grow up!

 

The modern human species was fathered by Rígr (An identity of Heimdallr)

 

Yeah!

 

That doesn't make it the right message. Go back to high school.

But QM is a theory of science, and you just said those can't be trusted

Thank you for proving that you do not understand what science "does".

Hint: Google "Scientific Model"

Answers come through arguments genius.

 

You should give up. Nesta has already written a few wondeful posts explaining how the scientific method works. As he has said, it isnt about proving things to be true, it is about proving things to be untrue, and using what ever avaliable objective information we have to determine what is the most reasonable explanation. As he has already said, science doesn't claim to be an all ecompassing explanation for everything, nor is it static, it is always evolving as we are always learning... gee wiz computers are cool.

What i dont understand is why you think that just because evolution may not be a %100 provable means it is entirely wrong. I also dont understand why you believe, that even if evolution is false, that creationism is correct.

I actually dont know much about creationism so i guess before i post anymore, perhaps you could clear it up a bit? at least tell us of your beliefs and understanding of the "theory". But as far as i know it is interpreting Genesis as entirely literal? thats is God made the everything in 7 literal 24 hour days...

To me that seems bizzare, Genesis is written in such a symbolic way i find it strange any modern thinker would assume it is meant to be taken literally. The writing style in the begining of that chapter tells a story very different then by the end of it and the start of exodus which is meant to be literal stories of the lives of certain people. But thats just my opinion.

 

creationism in a seven days sense, is ludicrous.

evolution is happening.

but, I am uncomfortable with the darwin model of evolution

I am uncomfortable with the present state of evolutionary biology

and I am further uncomfortable with the absolutist statements being made with so much uncertainty existant.

which is a word, it's just a REALLY old word

fuck spell-check.

 

P.S. i should aslo mention even though i do believe in Exodus, as in the Hebrews being slaves to Egyptians, walking out, killing everyone and going home. But thats not to say that even then it has some very strong symbolic elements.