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Discussion in 'Rythym and Blues' started by jibajohn, Apr 9, 2007.

  1. 2cesarewild

    2cesarewild I'm an idiot.

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    Yes this is true and legend has it that duane was jamming with the dead on alligator when he first started really playing the mtn jam.

    If you want to hear some excellent insane music from baker, check out "Ginger Baker's Airforce." Crazy stuff.
     
  2. Axis: Bold As Love

    Axis: Bold As Love Member

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    They're my dad's. He's seen Clapton live three times actually, twice with Mark Knopfler. He doesn't like him either, and has given up trying to get into him.
     
  3. lunarflowermaiden

    lunarflowermaiden Senior Member

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    Well, I must give you and your father credit. I am much too cheap of a person to spend my money on artists I dislike :tongue:.
     
  4. dollydagger

    dollydagger Needle to the Groove

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    ?????
     
  5. Axis: Bold As Love

    Axis: Bold As Love Member

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    What, you think I'm lying? It's true. I've tried to get into Clapton, but I just don't get the deal with him.
     
  6. dollydagger

    dollydagger Needle to the Groove

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    oh no...i believe you. i just cant figure out why you've tried so hard to "get him". so you dont like him....big deal. there are bands that i just dont get. i dont want to say that they are talentless or overrated, because they obviously have some talent and resonate with other people, just not with me. (widespread panic is a great example...i cant stand them, but others just love the shit outta them)

    we cant all like the same things.....
     
  7. Axis: Bold As Love

    Axis: Bold As Love Member

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    I've tried so hard because a lot of people rave about him and he's a very influential guitarist, and I figured that anyone who's done so many albums is bound to have made a few clinkers. However, I just don;t get the deal, and that's that.

    Peace.
     
  8. 2cesarewild

    2cesarewild I'm an idiot.

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    Well, before Hendrix was known, Clapton was really the guitar god. At least this is why I respect him most.
     
  9. Axis: Bold As Love

    Axis: Bold As Love Member

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    I disagree - I would go for Jeff Beck.
     
  10. Metallideth

    Metallideth Sir

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    First question: Do you suffer from brain damage?

    Your posting in this topic has made me chuckle with respect to the stupidity I would feel if I were he who posted such idiocy.

    How long have you been playing guitar? I hope someday someone prints off all your remarks and reads them aloud to you, and records as you cringe and shake your head following each steaming comment.

    As a guitarist, bassist, mediocre drummer, and novice organist I feel that I must tell you that being a musician doesn't raise the level of importance laid upon your opinions.

    I love how you don't seem to realize that hendrix is just as over-rated as page.
     
  11. dollydagger

    dollydagger Needle to the Groove

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    oohhh........bold statement my friend, very bold.

    I dont believe any one of those guys are overrated at all. And watch what you say about hendrix.....them's fightin' words.......
     
  12. Axis: Bold As Love

    Axis: Bold As Love Member

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    Who mentioned Page? When did I say that he was overrated?

    In response to your question, I have played guitar for seven and a hlf years and have heard songs performed by loads of different guitarists, from Chris Impellitteri to Robert Johnson. I also play bass guitar (although not as much as I used to) and a bit of piano (although not very well.)
     
  13. Axis: Bold As Love

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    Lol, he's a metal fan. Metallideth obviously equates talent with speed. Hendrix wrote hundreds of songs (literally; it's estimated at 500 unique recordings) in the space of four years, and changed guitar like no other. What have guys like Dimebag done? Played fast and kicked some decent riffs. Nothing special. Plus, if you want to drag technique into it, Hendrix was better than any souless metal guitarist.

    And as for Page, well...he paved the way for metal, and as you are obviously a metal fan, show some respect. Was he overrated? It depends on the context; his control wasn't great, and he could be sloppy at times, but he was a God in his own right. Not the very best, or perhaps even one of the very best, but he was very good.
     
  14. dollydagger

    dollydagger Needle to the Groove

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    I love metal, too. And I loved Dimebag!! nah.....he ripped it up....

    true that page paved the way for metal, but he was a blues guitarist, first and foremost....zepplin was a blues band (or at least they started out as one)

    I would give credit to sabbath for starting metal before zepplin
     
  15. Axis: Bold As Love

    Axis: Bold As Love Member

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    Led Zeppelin weren't metal, but they were certainly pivotal to its development, along with The Jimi Hendrix Experience and the Jeff Beck Group. Black Sabbath were the first 'proper' metal band.

    I don't like metal, apart from Metallica and some Pantera stuff. Dimebag was good, but not that good.
     
  16. Metallideth

    Metallideth Sir

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    Who mentioned Page? Try reading your own posts. (I know, I know, but if others bother to, shouldn't you?)

    You've heard songs performed by several guitarists. Sweet, so has EVERYONE else. Impellitteri is just a racer x ripoff, and listing one of the most well known bluesmen doesn't exactly lead me to assurance in your "vast knowledge".

    I wasn't starting a pissing match, it doesn't matter what instruments you play, or if you even play one, your posts speak for themselves.
     
  17. Metallideth

    Metallideth Sir

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    I was going to ask why you'd bring up dimebag, but then I realized that he's practically the only metal guitarist you're likely to know.

    Funny that you'd try the whole "talent = speed" thing, it makes it look like you don't think speed has an effect on feel and technical ability. Discrediting speed as a part of a guitarist's talent truly makes you look foolish.

    "souless metal guitarists" would play circles around hendrix. Sure, the guy could play some decent things, but surely hearing jimi trying to play along side The Berzerker or Suffocation would leave him looking like a novice. Hell, Chuck Schuldiner would tear him up all over the fretboard, not only in speed, but in technical ability, while singing more intense vocal melodies.

    It really wouldn't make a whole lot of sense to even try to compare jimi to any metal guitarists, they're able to play many things he'd never be able to do, and vice versa.

    It was a hell of a lot more than jimmy page to bring forth metal.
     
  18. Axis: Bold As Love

    Axis: Bold As Love Member

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    No, Kirk Hammett and James Hetfield are two of my favourite guitarists. I know Dave Mustaine, Marty Friedman, Yngwie Malmsteen, Paul Gilbert, Jason Becker, Mark Morton, Willie Adler, Synyster Gates, Zakky Vengeance, Matt Heafy, Corey, Aleki Laiho, Kerry King, Jeff Hanneman (sp?) Randy Rhoads etc.

    I mentioned Dimebag because he is probably the most popular metal guitarist, which was no doubt helped by his untimely death. But I know a lot more guitarists than you may think.
     
  19. Axis: Bold As Love

    Axis: Bold As Love Member

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    Lol, Buckethead is one of my favourite guitarists, only behind Jimi Hendrix and SRV. Have you heard him play? Have you heard his speed? Steve Vai? I like him a lot, too. Dimebag was good, as was Hammett for the first five Metallica albums. SRV was extremely quick. Hendrix was no slouch, either

    And yes, speed often does effect the emotion, if only in my opinion. Listen to Yngwie Malmsteen, Jason Becker, Paul Gilbert, Chris Impellitteri etc and you'll see my point.
     
  20. Axis: Bold As Love

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    I agree; you can't compare the likes of Schuldiner to Hendrix. But remember, it is a lot easier to sound good nowadays than in Hendrix's era, because of all the equipment available. Anyone can sound good.

    Jimmy Page helped bring about metal, as did Jeff Beck and Jimi Hendrix before him, but I think that Tony Iommi was the first metal guitsrist.
     

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