Countdown To Parliament's Brexit Vote

I don't really understand Brexit at all. Why can't you just give Europe the middle finger and be done with it? Just say 'fuck you, we're out.' The US didn't ask permission or negotiate any deal when it left the British Empire. (Of course, it started a war)

 

Most of our trade is done with Europe, and we'd loose access to the single market if we crashed out, which would have a huge negative impact on employment, and things like the supply of food and medicines could also be under threat. The NHS is reliant on European staff too - many have already left because of the threat of brexit. Ditto many businesses such as farms who rely on seasonal labour most of which comes from our European partners. There are many other disadvantages to leaving with no deal - many foregn companies such as Japanese car manufacturers have invested heavily in plants here from where cars go to Europe - it's not clear if they would pull out if they lost the advantage of being within the EU. Job losses and loss of revenue could be massive. You have to realize that there's virtually no'British industry' left - nearly all of it is foreign owned, and investment goes where the money is.
Then there's the financial markets and the City of London which provides a huge slice of the UK's GDP - already many banks have said they'll relocate to other European cities, the pound is worth a fraction of what it was prior to the vote and the stock market has gone down.
Given that leaving with no deal would be an economic catastrophe, the govt are probably going to avoid that as they are as usual more concerned with getting their party re-elected than anything esle. If they are the party that crashes us out of Europe and it leads to the predicted consequences, it would surely be bye bye tories at the next election.

Best thing would be to remain in the EU. Hard to see any advantage at all in leaving.

 

Hee's what the gutter press think

 

Well would you find anything the scum wrote remotely apt or funny? Nope!

 

What could she have done differently though? Brussels holds all the cards in the negotiations. Do you think a different PM could have made a difference? If so, how?

 

It's possible a different tory PM would have made an even worse mess of things or even crashed us out by now. Given the other candidates when May took over, that's quite likely. However, because someone else could be even worse and more clueless doesn't mean May has been any good at all. When it became clear that she had no chance of getting her crummy deal through, she should have seen the writing on the wall and called a second referendum.
Truth is that because of her huge mistake in calling the general election when she did, she's a hostage of a small group of fanatics, the DUP. That fact has overshadowed the whole negotiation process.

 

What if there is another referendum and then another ? The vote was put to the people how can you justify ignoring that vote both sides lied( remain and leave campaigns) so I dont want to hear that as a reason !

 

Putting it that after a second referendum there might come a third and that's the reason not to have a second is pretty ridicilous.
The reason a second referendum seems to have merit is because more voters are now a lot more informed than they were before the first referendum. Informed voters make better choices.

 

That's true.. but it's done.. seeing if you now change your mind is pathetic.. the vote was done..

 

How can they people Possibly have more Information than they already had we were bombarded with it for months ! people knew what was being voted for and we were told over and over there wouldn't be another vote !
And the EU said once article 50 is triggered there is no going back ! Wonder why they changed their minds ?

 

I'd be quite happy if Parliament could extricate us from this cock up, but I don't see how it can be done.

Things have changed since the first vote. It's really a stark choice now between crash out or stay in. That wasn't clear at all first time around. Also many young people have now attained voting age, and since it's their futures on the line, they should have a say.

And who can say who would win? It wouldn't surprise me if people voted to crash out. The government aren't going to do that, as they are too concerned that the negative consequences would lead to their being wiped out at the next election. So if you want a total break and damm the ecomony etc, that's probably the only way it can come.
Likewise if you want to remain in.

 

The UK's EU membership fee
The UK pays more into the EU budget than it gets back.

In 2017 the UK government paid £13 billion to the EU budget, and EU spending on the UK was forecast to be £4 billion. So the UK’s ‘net contribution’ was estimated at nearly £9 billion.

Each year the UK gets a discount on its contributions to the EU—the ‘rebate’—worth about £5.6 billion last year. Without it the UK would have been liable for £18.6 billion in contributions.

 

It really was Mate !

 

I thought you agreed they were misled before the first referendum. They now know that. Thus they're better informed by that alone already.

What's pathetic about changing your mind after it has come to light they were lied to before. Even if people weren't lied to its still entirely ok to change their mind. What in earth is pathetic about it here?

 

Do you have any idea why people in UK voted to leave?
Do you know what it's like here, because of the European union?
Do you know how many times the UK people have been lied to by this government?
How greedy this government is? How selfish they are?
I think not Asmo..
The people voted out, they fucked it up.. do you see the demonstrations?
The people voted.. it wont change.. they want out, no matter!

 

Ps it's not the people that have changed their mind, it's the government fucked it up... as per usual..

 

^Without another vote there's really no way to determine if people have changed their minds.

 

did we do that with the vote to get us in the EU in 75 ? ^^
or anything else for that matter ? So there is an election and people dont get the result "they " want we should have another go ?

 

So given that May isn't going to get another attempt at a deal through Parliament, do you think we should just crash out with no deal and to hell with the consequences?

 

I get why they want out. But they don't get they're not improving their country this way. A significant amount of the out voters acknowledge they have been duped with misinformation before and during the first referendum. And that the supposed benefits won't outweigh the negative consequences

'The people' are divided, Morrow. The people who voted to stay and the people who want a second referendum are also the people. The people do not want out conclusively. Otherwise it would already be slightly easier.