Could God have designed the Bible to only have one interpretation?

I don't mean to butt in unwelcome but that is exactly who I want to associate with because that is where the need is.

 

Then why do you feel that Jesus didn't associate with the scribes, Pharisees and Sadducees, at least none of them were selected as apostles.

 

They didn't enjoy his company. I might add that he did associate with them, they are figures in many scenes where he is speaking.

 

I think there might be a misconception about honest communication. Jesus was straightforward and didn't pull his punches so to speak, not in an effort to attack but to liberate through truth. Honesty was what he was speaking, not condemnation.

 

So anyone that doesn't interpret exactly the same as you you consider a Pharisee? I'm mainly talking about people with similar, but not the same exact view. I don't think one difference for example should justify tearing a church apart.

Not everyone that is nice is telling lies.

fair enough.

 

I have to say you are probably right on that.

I would have to say that there is a difference between just speaking to someone and associating with them.

But in any case, in a way I agree with you, Jesus did feel a need to be with sinners and so should we but Jesus did seem to draw a difference between being with sinners and those that consider themselves already healed. (Luke 5:30-32)

 

OWB:

You are insisting that I'm conflating god with nothing, and while god may be nothing at all to me, it is still something for others. I'm surviving god as I write this, having already survived god. : D I can't help it that the irony of me, an athiest, being more knowledgeable concerning god than you hasn't really amused you! But there's hope yet! LOL

LOL I'm supposed to be thankful for the happiness of the vengeful?! I'll be thankful for their joy when they are no longer the vengeful, and only then!

No he didn't, he suggested you might not even know you have one! What's more, he wasn't saying it for the sake of argument, nor you for what you said, apparently - so again, what are you hiding? You believe in Satan. That satan has a being. Can you be more specific?

 

Sorry i haven't retrieved my bible yet so I don't recognize the quote by number, but I know jesus is recorded as saying the well have no need of a physician.

 

OWB:

Dejavu? Sure! But it's only a pseudonym! : D

 

No two people probably will ever have the exact same understanding of the scriptures but I do believe that God and Jesus do have the same interpretation of the Scriptures and that we are to keep striving to have that same interpretation ourselves.

Also, I never insisted that people have the same interpretation as me and have always said that no one should just take my word for it but should check to see if what I say is in harmony with the Bible.

That is true but that doesn't mean that everyone that seems nice is telling the truth either. The Bible does say that bad associations soil useful habits and so indicates that we should be careful of who we associate with.

Okay.

 

Quite simply when you said; survive God, I asked; what did God ever do to you? and you said; nothing.

Now you can try to run me and this conversation around all you want but the plain and simple truth is if God did nothing to you, then there was nothing to survive. Even neglect would be something but you said; nothing.

Vengeful? You are the only one who seems to be acting vengeful here.

Okay, if you want to think he didn't bring it up, that's up to you.

Now what would give you that impression?

I'm not hiding anything, why, what are you hiding?

I believe Satan exists. Satan is a being, not has a being. What more do you want to know?

 

That kind of the gist of the Scripture but if you can look it up that would make it easier to discuss.

 

In name of carries the connotation of the whole person rather than just a name.

 

OWB:

: D You mean I'm not even allowed to survive gods doing nothing to me? You and whose army is going to stop me?! Jehovahs? LOL If you knew why I myself am not god, you'd be much more accomodating to your own interests! ( Everyone who believes in god must of a necessity find that last remark to be cryptic! )

All beings have their being, not sure what you're getting at there. What I want to know is what ( who, specifically ) in life makes you think Satan is a person.

In the spirit of veng...er...fun :devil: I'm going to have to ask you to spell that one out for me! : D

 

I have a different understanding of bad associations that does not involve perceiving your brother to be bad. I know you haven't been real enthusiastic that forgiveness is our key role in gods plan but perhaps you would consider this.

A bad association is an association of ideas. Somebody reports that so and so did such a thing down the street. Now both you and the person who report both are familiar with so and so down the street. The report that Somebody had made was a negative one and since you are familiar with both Somebody and so and so and Somebody is the one standing there, you tend to accept Somebody's report as truthful, and where before you had been familiar with so and so, you are now suspicious and feel estranged from him.
The good habit that is strained by this bad association is the habit of unconditional positive regard, i.e. loving our brother as ourselves.

 

Red; I'm a survivor.
Fred; What did you survive?
Red; Nothing.
Fred; Well I guess that makes you a non-survivor.

To me a being is a person that exists and I'm not sure what you are getting at to say they have their existence.

Aside from God and Jesus, there are things that have happened that seem to show a spirit of evil that goes beyond what mankind would do on their own.

The phrase "in the name of" usually carries the meaning that the whole person who is called by that name is behind what has been done, so something done in the name of a pseudonym would still carry the full wight of the person behind that pseudonym.

 

I'm sorry, I'm having difficulty with your example. Whenever someone says something bad about someone I know, I tend to think this is the kind of person that would say something like that about another person and generally do not apply what was said to the person that is being talked about. So your example is hard for me to apply. Could you use a different example or maybe adapt the example for someone who looks at this the way I do?

 

OWB:

Red; Yet here I am talking to you. What's nothing to me is still something to you. In light of this, your making it something to me is beside the point. If you were as light as I it would be otherwise. : D

You wrote "Satan is a being, not has a being." That's why.

Then why do you need Jesus for your scapegoat, your "ransom-sacrifice"?

If I, well-wishing wight that I am, must take up my pseudonym and bear it to cavalry, that is the most I'll do with it. I'm already seen. I'll be seen again. : D

 

I can pare it down to bare minimum and say bad associations are mental associations not physical ones.

We really ought not "fall in", with others in the first place, that is go with the crowd, but think for ourselves always because it is incumbent on ourselves to do gods will no matter what. We should never be faced with the dilemma of deciding whether some one else is worthy of our attention if they request it. I have many down and out kind of friends, alcoholics, addicts, people with anxiety problems, relationship problems and on. I am not trying to say I am joe cool but they do not drag me down, it is quite the opposite, and nothing so rewarding as to be truly helpful. I do not talk about god to them, but I share gods love and the precepts of christ teaching as they apply to their lives, although they do not know it is christ teaching. I do not tell them how they should live, but give the tools that support them regardless of what they believe. I have seen miracles.

 

Fred; the fact that you exist does not mean that you survived nothing.

Your nothing is still nothing to me. In fact most of your somethings are nothing to me.

But your being illogical is something.

Are you saying that you are a airhead?

And so I did. So?

Because all mankind needs that "scapegoat" or ransom-sacrifice, myself included.

Perhaps.