Could a New World Order be a good thing?

I just want to say to Crazy Horse that the humans ARE innately problematic, and it is the humans who created the system. Lies, Greed, Jealousy, whatever are all innate human problems, and while the system does encourage these problems, it started from the people. The idea of an ideal civilization is beautiful and the only way it ever COULD happen is if we believe in it. So you might as well.

 

how do you suppose that humans are "innately problematic".

 

I'm very sorry you feel that way. I really mean it. I wish you were here so I could tell you in person, because this damn keyboard is so inadequate, and my heart is really breaking for you.
I would just like to draw your attention to the millions of years of prehistory, when human beings lived in harmony with the Earth, and to the fact that the progression of civilization has been a fairly slow one, and has been met with resistance every step of the way. In fact in was Sigmund Freud who said that "Civilization was imposed my a minority upon a resisting majority." But regardless of what happened in the past, in light of our present crisis, it is becoming increasingly clear to me that if there's any future at all for us, it is undoubtably going to be a primitive future. And to me, it looks to be a bright future. Now hows that for a negative world view?

 

There IS no higher purpose than SAVING what we can. Life, all life, is precious!

Well, my suggestion of the separation of state and science would go a long toward solving those problems.

Our family lives ~ we need to start being responsible for raising our own children, and we need to teach them values, cause and effect, all about consequences.

Our sanity? Wellllllllllllll...

i see you've been a member for a while, yet have a low post count,

so if you're posting, i know you must feel very strongly about it.

Believe me, i'm not trying to make lite of it ~ just inject some humour!

 

Cheers. I do appreciate that. It's just, you know.... I get worked up sometimes, and these fucking emoticons just do not adequately convey tone.
You must understand that preserving life on Earth, in all it's myriad forms is the central fixation of my life. And thats more important to me than ever now, because..... well, I may as well announce it here- I'm gonna be a papa. So there. I totally agree with everything you said, short of the state and science bit, both of which I would prefer to see abolished.

 

Lol i can't believe ya'll are arguing over this, there's no way any of you are right, its a pointless discussion, a government of world peace cannot work because there are too many in the world who wouldn't allow it to work, and wouldn't it be funny if a GOWP was started with a war that annihilated all of those against peace No matter wether you think you're right or wrong on this subject it can't work so its a pointless debate. Even the biblical Utopia would fail, grasping at shadows, man, grasping at shadows. :toetap05:

 

Hey other Horse... well congrats on becoming a papa..

this Horse has had 5

 

Thanks man. It's..... emotional. I just found out Tuesday morning. Turns out it's been ten weeks.

 

I take it Mrs. Horse is excited and both sides of the family's.

I'm pretty content with just having grandchildren these day

Yes you're right about all life. Even some of those thing we don't really care that much for have their function in the big picture of it all.

It may well come to a point that we as humans can see how frail our existence really is, but it's going to take a pretty big wake up call to knock us out of our slumber.

We need to realize that there is really only one border on this planet and it is called the atmosphere.

 

Yeah, we all are. My side of the family doesn't know yet though. I'm worried someone's gonna have a heart attack...
As to the rest: thats very, very true.

 

CONGRATULATIONS!!!

Yeah, now you're going to have someone that will be entirely dependent upon y'all and you need to know how to take care of your whole family.

Some of the friends you can make in here could be a HUGE help to you!

 

Just before making my response I realized you already made my point.

Before anybody can define what is or is not true, one must define what is reality. And that is a definition that is I highly doubt people will ever readily agree upon.

 

people can define and express what they want, they can agree and disagree but at the end of the day their is still probability.

im not one to say what is or what isn't, and im not persecuting anyone because something might or might not "be" either.

nationalism, religion, even science. its all intellectual materialism; but which of them is fair? is it in the best interest of a business to advertise another business because their product is better?....of coarse not.

millions are starving and we would rather consider profit than resources

truth and reality are synonyms

 

Thank you Fyrenza. I look forward to it. Just told my family today- Looks like we'll have a lot of support from there. Her side of the family however...... <grumble grumble>

Anyway, never mind that. Back on topic.... Yeal, I really don't see how your clever little spiel about truth relates to your idea of a 'peaceful NWO' I suspect your just trying to undermine any opinion before it is expressed.

Political ideologies notwithstanding, we all live on the same planet, and share the same reality. There seems to be a kind of post-modern/existentialist notion that it is somehow impossible to define reality, and that critical analysis is therefore impossible, or even oppressive. Yeal would have us march lock-step into this NWO for good or ill, and for all he his talk of understanding other people's culture and opinions, he's only ever had insults for those who question or disagree with him. He's always evasive and dismissive when posed with questions or challenges. And he refuses to educate himself, stubbornly clinging to his ignorance because anyone with an opinion contrary to his is some kind of nut job conspiracy theorist. He even seems to include Noam Chomsky in this category, never mind the fact that he's the most quoted person on the planet. The fact is there's not even any point in my typing this, because myself and several others have tried at length to get through to this kid, and he just keeps repeating the same crap. I don't even think he's read anything any of us have written. If he has he's certainly not given it even a moment's consideration.

 

Dude, I seriously think you need to THINK before you type. Your last paragraph is you just mindlessly spamming dogma about me. Try to back up just one thing you said in the last paragraph.

You say I've only ever had insults for people who question or disagree with me? Show me.

Evasive or dismissive when posed with questions or challenges??? Show me.

And refusing to educate myself and clinging to ignorance???? Back yourself up! Show me where I do all this! For fucks sake I don't even know who Noam Chomsky is.

I have been reading every word all of you have said. Reading it, and listening to it. Just because I don't agree with you, or because I don't respond in the way you want me to doesn't mean I'm insulting you.

 

http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/showthread.php?t=317167
http://www.hipforums.com/newforums/showthread.php?t=308245

These two treads should suffice to illustrate my point.
They will show you being insulting toward anyone disagreeing with you, evasive of any questions posed to you, and dismissive of any evidence presented by those you consider to be "PCTs".

Noam Chomsky I quoted at length to illustrate a point I was trying to make in the "no such thing as conspiracy" thread. I know you don't know who he is. Because you dismissed everything I said before reading it. I can't help but wonder, Yeal. Not to be insulting, but have you ever read a book? Cover to cover? Non-fiction? Outside of a school setting? Or are they only written by 'paranoid conspiracy theorists?
If you don't agree, thats fine. Then you can address some of the points the rest of us bring up. Don't come here and try to bait people. Constructive debate can be worthwhile to everyone, and we might all come away having learned something. All I've ever seen you do here is try to stifle critical thought. I don't appreciate that. Please grow up.

 

Both of those show me being insulting one and a half years ago. Neither one of them show me dismissing evidence, however. The PCT thread was a joke, by the way.

I enjoy constructive debate. What I don't enjoy is a thread designed for constructive debate being shit on by a guy who simply disagrees with me. You came into this thread screaming like a 6 year-old throwing a temper tantrum because he didn't get his way. You're in no place to tell me to "stop insulting people and being ignorant." You grow up.

 

Well then you can start by addressing some of the point that have already been raised.
I brought up those two threads because as far as I can tell, that was the last time you were posting in the conspiracy forums- and those threads went on for more than twenty pages. And yes, they mainly consisted of you insulting people and ignoring everyones arguments and questions. You left soon after I joined the discussion, presumably because you didn't know how to respond, and now your back, with an obvious bait thread, and were just supposed to forget that? If you enjoy constructive debate, then start conducting yourself accordingly. You can start by answering my question about the indigenous. I would really like to know your position on that before we go any further.

 

Have you seen that movie, "The Gods Must Be Crazy"?

It is SOOO funny,

and sooo sad...


i mean, on the one hand, i feel like we should do our best to protect them ~ the vaccinations, limited interaction (to the point that it could just be one of them that was an ally).

But, then, you just spur them on into thinking Conspiracy Theories...

If we like build a "refuge" around them, sooner or later, they're going to reach the borders of it. (THAT would freak me out! To find out i've been living in a 'cage,' presumably since the beginning of time? )

Perhaps just limited interaction between the cultures ~ they're bound to be curious about us, too, and if we were "roughing it," we wouldn't seem so threatening. NO Armed Forces sent in, to uproot them, scare them into obedience, nor anything else ~ just NO Armed Forces, period.

With satellite imagery being state of the art, i can't imagine that we couldn't figure out a way to "listen in," also, and learn their language and habits,

BEFORE surprising them.

As you can tell, those are just off the top of my head,

but now you've got ME curious:

How would YOU handle indigenous peoples in a NWO?

 

I think...



That we should...



STOP FEEDING THE TROLL!