Constitutional Toilet Paper

Discussion in 'Politics' started by Wu Li Heron, Mar 20, 2017.

  1. Wu Li Heron

    Wu Li Heron Well-Known Member

    https://www.theregister.co.uk/2017/03/20/appeals_court_contempt_passwords/

    Obama and the democrats can talk all they want about our great constitution and the morality of the American people, but their words are obviously falling on deaf ears. Trump has the right idea that, in this political climate, its all about seeing how much you can get away with because the rule of law no longer applies when it doesn't even matter to judges and lawyers. There is no reason to vote either democrat or republican when neither party will defend the constitution and the rule of law.
     
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  2. Ged

    Ged Rhetorical Juvenile.

    It's a tyrany of cunts
     
  3. Golden_Wheel

    Golden_Wheel Well-Known Member

    I was prepared to tell you all about the Scot brothers and how they marketed toiletpaper by giving it to hotels for use in outhouses.

    Well said WuLi

    Now I understand. The Constitution was flushed down the toilet by Obama.
     
  4. Wu Li Heron

    Wu Li Heron Well-Known Member

    Obama wasn't the one who flushed it down the toilet, the American people did when they insisted on turning the entire country into a police state. They insisted on congress gerrymandering the entire voting system, they insisted on congress suspending our constitutional rights indefinitely, they insisted corporations are people and should be allowed to run the entire mass media system without restraint, and now they are insisting that Trump defy the courts and use heavy handed tactics to deal with all the rampant corruption. The American people have manufactured their own crisis and only disaster can turn this mess around. Obama's contribution was minor in comparison, but he went along with it like all the rest. For his reward, the republicans refused to let him pick a supreme court justice because the law is up for grabs to the highest bidder and whoever has the power to challenge the entire legal system.

    Two million women just marched in protest against their own president and this mess won't get cleaned up until all hell breaks loose. That's the only strategy the republican party has left is to divide and conquer because they no longer have the numbers on their side and everyone is fed up with their nonstop bullshit threatening to bankrupt the government and turn the rule of law and democratic principles into a joke in bad taste. Even the republicans can no longer stand the stink of their own shit protesting their own president. I wish I could say the democrats are any better, but mouthing the words freedom, democracy, equality, and rule of law will get them nowhere when they have supported the same bullshit of merely grabbing power whenever they can get away with it and allowing the wealthy to get away with murder.
     
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  5. Golden_Wheel

    Golden_Wheel Well-Known Member

    Nothing to do Obama's with complete disregard for the tenth amendment? Once a president is allowed to disregard any part of the constitution, which Obama has done, the rest of it has No value,

    Obama also gave rise to extremists like this. He listened to crazies. The republicans only have one choice left, and that is to fix the democrats fuck up,
     
  6. Wu Li Heron

    Wu Li Heron Well-Known Member

    LOL, the republican party couldn't replace a broken lightbulb and can't even agree on how to dismantle Obamacare. It was Bush who allowed Wall Street and the bankers to crash the entire world economy and it is their continuing incompetence that gave us a new president they themselves are complaining about! That's exactly what the democrats have relied upon repeatedly is that republicans will fuck everything up so badly people will vote people like Obama into office that, normally, would never stand a snowball's chance in hell.

    That's the whole problem, is that neither party has much to offer anyone except the wealthy and the American people themselves could not find their own ass with both hands unable to even tell me the simple distinction between a lynch mob and a democracy. Obamacare was a small token to the poor and, in fact, so small that now even the republicans are having difficulty dismantling it knowing there is only so much people will put up with and they are already beginning to riot in the streets and protest by the millions. Bush took a government with a positive balance sheet and turned it into a twenty trillion dollar debt overnight through neglect and outright greed. Twenty trillion dollars worth of debt and not a single banker went to jail for outright fraud, in fact, they are still pretty much practicing the same fraud and only getting a slap on the wrist. There's your rule of law for you and the value of your vaunted constitution, the best justice system that money can buy and an American public where one in five insist the sun revolves around the earth.
     
  7. themnax

    themnax Senior Member

    the chumpster IS the political climate.

    he's what you get when people deny that a world of anger and aggressiveness, won't make anyone happier, healthier, live longer, or get any more enjoyment out of doing so.

    what you're right about is that a piece of paper won't protect anyone if enough people don't support what's written on it.

    people who deny that aggressiveness is tyranny and consideration morality may deserve what they get, but there are at least as many of us out here who don't.
     
  8. themnax

    themnax Senior Member

    this is an odd thing to say in the face of any logical analysis. it is however a tyranny. just one, as all tyrannies are, of the dominance of aggressiveness.
     
  9. Wu Li Heron

    Wu Li Heron Well-Known Member

    They deserve nothing. We just had two million women protest their own president, but they represent less than 1% of the population. If just ten percent fewer people voted in a national election congress would be so embarrassed they would come crawling to them on hands and knees because we already have the lowest turnout in the developed world. If ten percent went on strike tomorrow we would see similar results, but all they do is complain nonstop no matter who is in office or what happens. Bankers commit massive fraud to collapse the entire economy and when they protest, the billionaire mayor of NYC arrests 26 reporters in one day only to receive a slap on the wrist. Nobody says boo, nothing is done, and everybody just waits for it to blow over because there is no such thing as leftist politics in America today or even a functional democracy which is why in over ten years nobody has been able to tell me the simple distinction between a lynch mob and a democracy.

    Trump is what you get when people insist all is fair in love, war, and politics and few ever even bother to object.
     
  10. themnax

    themnax Senior Member

    it takes more then non-objecting. tyranny isn't created by a lack of objection alone. it requires a romance of the idea that hierarchy provides some benefit, in some way, to some one.

    if non-objection were all, no one would object to living in trees or caves. and personally, i believe that a great many people would be just as happy, if not a great deal more so, doing so.

    almost everyone says they like toys and being able to enjoy them. so do i. the question this raises is about how much that is unpleasant are we willing to put up with, in order to do so.
     
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  11. Wu Li Heron

    Wu Li Heron Well-Known Member

    "All tyranny needs to gain a foothold is for people of good conscience to remain silent." Edmond Burke

    First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a Socialist.
    Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a Trade Unionist.
    Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a Jew.
    Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
    Martin Niemoller

    When all is fair in love, war, and politics people will put up with anything until it comes back to haunt them.
     
  12. themnax

    themnax Senior Member

    well coming back to haunt them, is what shouldn't have taken rocket science, for anyone to see.
     
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  13. Golden_Wheel

    Golden_Wheel Well-Known Member

    Who are they? Who do you believe they are coming for and why?
     
  14. Piney

    Piney Lifetime Supporter

    Our free press is supposed to call out violations of the Constitution.
     
  15. Wu Li Heron

    Wu Li Heron Well-Known Member

    When the mayor of NYC arrested 26 reporters in one day they declined to sue the man because, being a billionaire, there was no money to be made. Likewise, few even made it headline news in the newspapers for the same reason. No money to be made, no public to appease, no constitution to uphold.
     
  16. Wu Li Heron

    Wu Li Heron Well-Known Member

    If I were black, I'd say the police,
    If I were a hardcore leftist, I'd say the FBI,
    If I were Mexican, I'd say ICE,
    Etc, etc, etc,
    However, a US senator wrote a book called, "To Harass Our People" comparing the IRS to the Nazi SS and showing the IRS has more power and abuses for political purposes. When our politicians, judges, and the wealthy can ignore the constitution and never pay the price you can take your pick. They are all pigs following the money and the guns wherever they lead.
     
  17. Golden_Wheel

    Golden_Wheel Well-Known Member

    What if you were right? Who is out to get the right?
    Who is out to get the white?

    Are you saying the IRS is out to get you? Who increased your taxes over the last 8 years?

    Not only politicians, judges and the wealthy ignore the constitution, so do the poor, jobless, homeless and working class.

    Piney, does the free press call out violations to the constitution ?

    There is a book called The Great Destroyer: Barack Obama’s War on the Republicans

    That book documents Obamas violation of the constitution. There are other books too.
     
  18. themnax

    themnax Senior Member

    our corporate press has been too long the mouthpiece of the corporate state.
    there ARE independents.
    they don't claim to be without bias, nor, for the most part, are they.
    but they do cover what the mainstream too often won't.

    like wu said, there's no callories in doing the press' job.
    personally i don't find the left leaning press leaning as far as the openly fashist.
    but that's what you've got.
    the left press does cover what the corporate ignores and spikes, but doesn't have its resources.
    the extreme 'right' has as much or more of a vested interest in ignoring anything responsible and real as the corporate.

    or to put it another way, anything honest and objective, or trying to be, even close to it, is going to be labled leftist regardless,
    and again for the reasons wu mentioned.

    you've got amy goodman, tyt, al jezera, and the russian thing, that, well some other country's propiganda WILL tell you things your own country won't. which ever side of the pond you happen to live on.
    then you've got the bloggers, who don't owe anybody any more truth then they can find, though most mean well, except, once again, the tea nazi's and even self proclaimed real nazi's are in on that game too.

    incidentally, corporate personhood was introduced in the u.s. by ol honest abe lincoln. well he had an excuse. it was to get the railroads built to unite the north against the south.
    which had good reasons along with everything else.

    problems come when an immediate expedient becomes a tradition.
    the worst thing obama did was to not be able to do what the republicans stood in the way of.

    hillary wouldn't have done enough for the environment, but she certainly wouldn't have done the worst possible, which is the chumpster's self admitted priority.
    she would also have gotten our pensioners our cost of living adjustment, unlike chump, who seems determined to eliminate them entirely.

    of course there were better choices then either, but name recognition is the game, and that's what the corporate press gave the chump.
     
  19. Golden_Wheel

    Golden_Wheel Well-Known Member

    Do you believe that the travel ban imposed by Trump is violating the constitution? I ask this because it is not violating it. It is The leftist judges who are.violating the constitution. The judges are not suppose to be biased, yet they are. So anti Trump they disregard laws. So pro left they violate the constitution and laws. They are not suppose to take on the role as advancing a progressive policy agenda and exhibit little respect for the Constitution and rule of law when they might interfere with that agenda.

    The travel ban is to protect all citizens in the USA from all religious backgrounds. Yet judges have denied this stating that it is directly against a religious faith when America has freedom of religion. The ban does not deny people based on religion, yet judges strike it down and make up their own laws for a "progressive" purpose. It is not the judges job make up laws or make them progress,

    Judge Watson stated "The clearest command of the Establishment Clause is that one religious denomination cannot be officially preferred over another." But even Watson admitted that the travel ban "does not facially discriminate for or against any particular religion, or for or against religion versus non-religion.". Yet he still denied the travel ban 2.0 submitted by Trump.

    The judiciary review was not established so that The judiciary is superior to the legislative and executive branches, and accordingly, we have the right to just make stuff up. Yet that is precisely what has happening.

    However, it is emphatically the province and duty of the judicial department to say what the law is. This is not happening, but is suppose to.

    As for Hilary, get over it, she lost. She was not honest. You will never know the damage she would have done, nor willl you acknowledge the damage she did do to the Democratic Party and the same for Obama. That party ripe with fascists.
     
  20. Wu Li Heron

    Wu Li Heron Well-Known Member

    Lincoln did not introduce corporate personhood, which was introduced by the corporations themselves as an interpretation of the 14th amendment after Lincoln was long dead. The supreme court threw out their arguments repeatedly, but they simply kept taking the issue back to court until they got what they wanted. That's the best justice that money can buy where all you have to do is keep pushing something through the judicial system until you get whatever you want.

    What Lincoln did was make it all too clear that the way forward was not growing cotton, slavery, or farming of any kind, but industrial power. The south killed 20 Yankees for every southerner and still lost the civil war thanks to the industrial power of the north.
     

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